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Posted 21 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

LMFAO like you had any clue who the Saints were prior to 2009.


It's funny that you have to go back to '98 to find just a single blacked out game for Saints because they didn't sell the 72,000 seats in Superdome, yet this new thing about Saints not having any fans before '09 is just so utterly ridiculous to the point of being funny. Brees first year with Saints was a game short of Superbowl, so if you're going to make up some bandwagon nonsense, shouldn't you at least start there? Yes, it's true with Saints being one of the elite teams of the league that they have a lot of new fans, but to say they had none beforehand is just silly considering they have been selling out one of the biggest stadiums in league all along. Even if you go back to the worst times in early 80's , the games still had 85% to 90% average occupancy. Do a quick google search and look up "Superdome Saints home game attendance" and you will see our lowest years still had more fans in stands that Panthers had this year!

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

Cam comes off as an immature kid that pouts, throws temper tantrums, and puts the towel over his head when he is not winning. As opposed to Brees, Cam does have to worry about his reputation since he is a proven criminal that stole a laptop and tried to hide it just a few years ago as well as is proven to come from a family willing to take illegal monies. Unlike Cam, Brees is a proven commodity and didn't even have to address anything related to signing back key players, but the fact he did shows he has a vested interest in helping to bring them back and should help by restructuring his contract.


Cam is immature and does pout when things are not going his way. He puts the towel over his head regardless of the score, though. He is 22 years old. A rookie. He acts like one because he is one.

Drew Brees still seems fake to me. He always will have a hidden agenda to me. I will always get the vibe that the PR is all a show. He could prove me wrong by not signing a contract that makes him one of the top 5 paid QBs in the league. But I really don't see it happening.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:12 PM

It's funny that you have to go back to '98 to find just a single blacked out game for Saints because they didn't sell the 72,000 seats in Superdome, yet this new thing about Saints not having any fans before '09 is just so utterly ridiculous to the point of being funny. Brees first year with Saints was a game short of Superbowl, so if you're going to make up some bandwagon nonsense, shouldn't you at least start there? Yes, it's true with Saints being one of the elite teams of the league that they have a lot of new fans, but to say they had none beforehand is just silly considering they have been selling out one of the biggest stadiums in league all along. Even if you go back to the worst times in early 80's , the games still had 85% to 90% average occupancy. Do a quick google search and look up "Superdome Saints home game attendance" and you will see our lowest years still had more fans in stands that Panthers had this year!


How about if I just go back to 2006, http://espn.go.com/n...nce/_/year/2006.

Go back into the 90's and early 2000's and it was worse. LOL the damn Saints were about to relocate but the hurricane saved that from happening.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:12 PM

Breesus literally has a chip on his shoulder because when he blew out his shoulder in San Diego and was let go in Free Agency only 2 shithole teams showed interest in him, the Aints and the Dolphins. He went with the 3-13 Saints and made the best of it.
Believe me, some team is going to be bled dry with this next contract.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:15 PM

Cam is immature and does pout when things are not going his way. He puts the towel over his head regardless of the score, though. He is 22 years old. A rookie. He acts like one because he is one.

Drew Brees still seems fake to me. He always will have a hidden agenda to me. I will always get the vibe that the PR is all a show. He could prove me wrong by not signing a contract that makes him one of the top 5 paid QBs in the league. But I really don't see it happening.


If he really was fake, don't you think that something would have come up in past 5 years? Brees is very involved with many charities and constantly volunteers his time. The week before first playoff game he attended a charity event for ex player Gleason eventhough most players might have not shown up in the middle of preparing for such an important game. Also, keep in mind how many product endorsements he does and that those alone pay almost as much as his contract. He has made it very clear his goal is to repeat and Structuring hos correct with more money at end when caps are going to be higher is not a big deal, especially of it helps keep key guys like Nicks and Colston. Brees is extremely wealthy already and whether he brings in a total with endorsements of $25 mil or $35 mil this coming year isn't a big difference since he isn't spending millims of dollars each month.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:20 PM

I like Brees would have loved to have him on the Panthers as everyone else would have. I am glad we don't have him obviously since Cam has come along and hopefully we are set at QB for the next 10-15 seasons. I would not expect the Saints to fall off the map next year. They will be tough competition again but I think we can finish ahead of them and win the South. They talk of their demise next season might be a little overstated here on this site.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

Cam comes off as an immature kid that pouts, throws temper tantrums, and puts the towel over his head when he is not winning. As opposed to Brees, Cam does have to worry about his reputation since he is a proven criminal that stole a laptop and tried to hide it just a few years ago as well as is proven to come from a family willing to take illegal monies. Unlike Cam, Brees is a proven commodity and didn't even have to address anything related to signing back key players, but the fact he did shows he has a vested interest in helping to bring them back and should help by restructuring his contract.


The more you post the more ignorant you prove to be. First off Newton has not proven to be a criminal. He has never been charged with a crime yet alone convicted of anything. Maybe you have heard the term innocent until proven guilty. It is the cornerstone of the American judicial system.

And Brees can't restructure his contract, he is a free agent. He can extend his contract but he can't restructure it. He can structure the contract so he gets his 60 million signing bonus up front and guaranteed money yet backload it so his cap hit may only be 15-16 million this year but it will go up every year and if he is still playing in a few years will be a cap hit of 23-24 million. He will make it so it coincides with the cap increasing in 2014. But why tell you all this so you could appear semi-intelligent going forward. Keep up the ignorant trolling. It just confirms what we see what Saints fans in general.

Here is the article which is posted elsewhere that explains that the way the team will be able to sign other players which will be to use the franchise tag on someone else instead of him if he signs before March 13th. But he will average at least 18 million a year over the term as I told you before. As he says this won't last forever. He knows it, I know it, you obviously don't have a clue.


http://www.nola.com/...wrap_up_lo.html

Brees is expected to sign one of the richest deals in NFL history, with an annual value around $18 million per year.


"Is it realistic to think we can keep absolutely everybody? I don't know how realistic that is, just because every year on a team there's turnover, and I think that's just the business we're in. That's the biggest reason why it's so sad when the season ends. It's not because the season is over and you don't get to play any more games, or you know you're not going to win a championship that year. The biggest sadness comes in because you're looking around the room and you know that there's guys you've become very close to that you might not be playing with any more."



"Maybe it gets harder as you get older, just because you don't know how many more opportunities you're going to have," Brees said. "We like to believe that this will last forever, but obviously it doesn't. And so, especially when you put a group together that we had, the type of team we had, which I felt really in all phases was right there and ready to make a run, it just goes to show you just how difficult this game is, especially when you get in the playoffs.


Truth is your team has shown you can only make a deep run in the playoffs if you play at home. That is why you failed the last 2 years. Next year you will likely lose at least 2 more games in the division alone. Without homefield advantage you guys are once and done.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:23 PM

If he really was fake, don't you think that something would have come up in past 5 years? Brees is very involved with many charities and constantly volunteers his time. The week before first playoff game he attended a charity event for ex player Gleason eventhough most players might have not shown up in the middle of preparing for such an important game.


All that is great and all but even the worst kind of people do good things in the spot light. Even Paris Hilton gives to charity and volunteers her time. Only difference is no dirt has popped up on Brees.

Again, he still appears fake to me.

I also pointed out earlier that it probably was mostly my bias since I dislike him more than any other sports figure today. So no matter what you say as evidence supporting his character, I still will see fake. Same way as no matter what Cam will do, some will always hate him. It's a lost cause.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:32 PM

Yes, it's true with Saints being one of the elite teams of the league...


Elite teams don't go 0'fer on the road in the playoffs. The elite teams are playing tomorrow. The Seahawks were an elite team last year.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:35 PM

How about if I just go back to 2006, http://espn.go.com/n...nce/_/year/2006.

Go back into the 90's and early 2000's and it was worse. LOL the damn Saints were about to relocate but the hurricane saved that from happening.


The seating was upgraded from 64,800 in 2005 to 70,002 in 2006. The average attendance that doesn't take into account the fact part of those seats where not set up and available every game. Still that actual attendance average as per link you provided was 68,808 which is 98.4% occupancy.

The occupancy changes as seating was upgraded and dome renovated are here

http://en.wikipedia....-Benz_Superdome


Regardless, what are you saying by bringing up 2006? That in a year with a new QB, team in rebuilding stage, coming of poor showing, people fresh PFF Katrina with not a lot of extra money available, over 40% of population not in state anymore, with all those negatives we still had complete sellouts out Dome with over 98% attendance. Well that just proves my point further. Thanks!

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:43 PM

The seating was upgraded from 64,800 in 2005 to 70,002 in 2006. The average attendance that doesn't take into account the fact part of those seats where not set up and available every game. Still that actual attendance average as per link you provided was 68,808 which is 98.4% occupancy.

The occupancy changes as seating was upgraded and dome renovated are here

http://en.wikipedia....-Benz_Superdome


Regardless, what are you saying by bringing up 2006? That in a year with a new QB, team in rebuilding stage, coming of poor showing, people fresh PFF Katrina with not a lot of extra money available, over 40% of population not in state anymore, with all those negatives we still had complete sellouts out Dome with over 98% attendance. Well that just proves my point further. Thanks!


God damned lucky I can't find the article I posted a couple of years ago that showed the Saints attendance in the late 90's and early 2000's. You guys were running at a 70% clip some of those years.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:44 PM

Elite teams don't go 0'fer on the road in the playoffs. The elite teams are playing tomorrow. The Seahawks were an elite team last year.


Brees and the offense overcame 5 turnovers against what is supposed to be the best defense in NFC and tripled their home average of allowing just 11 points per game. Eventhough Saints had stronger victories against tougher opponents, the order of tiebreakers gave 49ers the 2 seed resulting in two weeks rest and extra double the time to review film and gameplan which was very evident as well as homefield advantage. Bottom line, in a situation that greatly favored 49ers, Brees dod more than enough for win and the better team lost. The defense let us down against Seattle since offense put up well above their season average too. We have a new DC and Payton has the defense at the center of his attention sp expect a better D next year.

Regardless, of the loss, Saints have best offense in history, and if that isn't good enough to consider the team Elite, than what is?

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:48 PM

God damned lucky I can't find the article I posted a couple of years ago that showed the Saints attendance in the late 90's and early 2000's. You guys were running at a 70% clip some of those years.


I already had this conversation with a falcons fan earlier this year and researched it all, the worse year was 82 or 83 with about 86% occupancy. I never looked back further than Superdome, but also you need to look at numbers compared to seats available as the Superdome has many renovations and occupancy changes dependi on the years scheduled events.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:52 PM

Brees and the offense overcame 5 turnovers against what is supposed to be the best defense in NFC and tripled their home average of allowing just 11 points per game. Eventhough Saints had stronger victories against tougher opponents, the order of tiebreakers gave 49ers the 2 seed resulting in two weeks rest and extra double the time to review film and gameplan which was very evident as well as homefield advantage. Bottom line, in a situation that greatly favored 49ers, Brees dod more than enough for win and the better team lost. The defense let us down against Seattle since offense put up well above their season average too. We have a new DC and Payton has the defense at the center of his attention sp expect a better D next year.

Regardless, of the loss, Saints have best offense in history, and if that isn't good enough to consider the team Elite, than what is?


Excuses. An L is an L, no matter how many excuses you put in there.

And if the team was so elite, they would be playing tomorrow. Last time I checked, a TEAM was made up of offense, defense, and special teams.

The better team is playing the Giants tomorrow, sorry to burst your little bandwagon bubble.

Edited by SouthCakPanther, 21 January 2012 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:54 PM

the better team didn't lose. if the team was better, they would have won

49ers lead the league in turnover differential, they've won games like that all year. you're just salty your team is still winless on the road in the postseason so you spit out the dumbest fuging thing imaginable herp derp the better team lost!


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