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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:04 PM

Worse than that were people buying baby food with food stamps, then paying cash for cartons of cigarettes.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:04 PM

okay walk me through the process


non-profits and welfare for starters

My point is that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks in my opinion. My opinion is free to change if convinced otherwise.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:09 PM

They could, but the chaos of implementation and the political compromises needed to change the system would probably trump the somewhat minor advantages.

We could simplify the tax codes we have now quite a bit, but that's not the desire of the people really pushing this stuff. Pure and simple, it's designed to make the haves pay less and the have nots pay more - it's not anti IRS, it's anti "socalism" - in and of itself not a bad thing to be for it that's your position on things, but hiding behind the word "fair" is not cool.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:16 PM

They could, but the chaos of implementation and the political compromises needed to change the system would probably trump the somewhat minor advantages.

We could simplify the tax codes we have now quite a bit, but that's not the desire of the people really pushing this stuff. Pure and simple, it's designed to make the haves pay less and the have nots pay more - it's not anti IRS, it's anti "socalism" - in and of itself not a bad thing to be for it that's your position on things, but hiding behind the word "fair" is not cool.


A flat tax is as fair as you can get.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:29 PM

I want Obama...and his Obamabot minions here to explain to me how someone "earns" a tax cut when they don't pay taxes?

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:37 PM

Worse than that were people buying baby food with food stamps, then paying cash for cartons of cigarettes.

No doubt. One of the winners I saw had all this baby formula (among ridiculously expensive things I have never bought like organic tomatoes) then used a separate transaction to buy their cigs and beer. Shouldn't luxuries like those go bye bye when you have a baby to feed & clothe? Apparently not, because you don't have to pay for the formula yourself. And those types would probably ignore the kid's need's for their own anyway, which is the saddest part.
Once I was behind a couple of middle aged ladies with food stamps and I actually walked into the parking lot behind them because I was curious to see what they were driving. It was a late model Caddy. I had nothing in common with them. I was making 15 k/yr, had an old used car and paid my own rent at my apt. Oh, and I didn't buy any steaks either. Just because someone is considered "poor" doesn't mean they deserve breaks. If you take into account that I paid my own way for everything and made 15k, I was likely more poor than they were.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:40 PM

I want Obama...and his Obamabot minions here to explain to me how someone "earns" a tax cut when they don't pay taxes?


An actual decent discussion in this forum and you troll it will unrelated Obama hate. gtfo

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:42 PM

No doubt. One of the winners I saw had all this baby formula (among ridiculously expensive things I have never bought like organic tomatoes) then used a separate transaction to buy their cigs and beer. Shouldn't luxuries like those go bye bye when you have a baby to feed & clothe? Apparently not, because you don't have to pay for the formula yourself. And those types would probably ignore the kid's need's for their own anyway, which is the saddest part.
Once I was behind a couple of middle aged ladies with food stamps and I actually walked into the parking lot behind them because I was curious to see what they were driving. It was a late model Caddy. I had nothing in common with them. I was making 15 k/yr, had an old used car and paid my own rent at my apt. Oh, and I didn't buy any steaks either. Just because someone is considered "poor" doesn't mean they deserve breaks. If you take into account that I paid my own way for everything and made 15k, I was likely more poor than they were.


The left doesn't realize how many people are in the situation you were in, Fireball. They have no clue. At one time in the mid 90s I was working four part time jobs to make ends meet. And I'd encounter people like the ones you describe and wonder just how the hell they got away with it.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

Understanding what liberals deem as FAIR taxation comes from their understanding of how someone EARNS a tax cut...even if they do/do not actually pay taxes.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

Understanding what liberals deem as FAIR taxation comes from their understanding of how someone EARNS a tax cut...even if they do/do not actually pay taxes.


Or, conversely, how the rich are "given" tax cuts....the excess money that you were taking away from them to begin with to finance your bullshit ineffective giveaway programs.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 01:55 PM

Or wars, i take it?

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 02:14 PM

Yay! A thread discussing an issue degenerates into partisan bashing! When you can't argue a point just call someone a liberal and be over with it!