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Rayzor is correct and some people can act dumb all they want but Coples motor and motivation were ? before the season and they remain now.

All these excuse are stupid also.

1. The coaches that ? him got fired. Really???

Only way dude would have kept that job is if they won they acc or went to a BCS game. He was out before the season started.

2. Mario Williams was ? also. Really???

Mario Williams was a top 2 pick whatever ? teams had were not anywhere near Coples situation.

3. He look great in Senior bowl practice.

So did Terell Mcclain and Marvin Austin (still 2nd and 3rd round picks) last year. Also against 3rd and 4th round Tackles and Guards.

Most of the best Olinemen in this draft are underclassmen.

Point is if you have ? about somebody motivation it gets worst when they get paid.

Most of the time.

Let the Jags fall into that trap.

Mario Williams had motivational question marks about him predraft, Big athletic guy who scouting reports said was prone to taking plays off and didn't give 100% effort. Some scouting reports had him as a longshot to be a success in the NFL because of that effort. Same thing with Peppers as well.

Williams ran a 4.7, same thing that Coples has been clocked around.

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Every elite pass rusher will be questioned. There will always be concerns. The concerns are usually the same. The fact is that real pass rushers who have the hands, leverage, strength, arm length, speed, height, and technique should take "plays off" when they can.

You see if you have all those things like Peppers, Williams, and yes Coples has, your job is sometimes done before the ball snaps. You have altered the play call and the protection in the other team's huddle before they even line up. Busting your ass to chase with backside pursuit with two guys in your face is a waste of your motor. Instincts for some are better than others so an argument can be made that cutbacks, busted plays, reversed fields that happen occasionally could hurt the team if a guy is in la la land like some of you are suggesting.

I am suggesting that you will not find an instance where that happened and caught any of these guys off guard.

Also, the notion that if you don't go all out all the time I get it. I like a wild man flying around out there too. But the pros know when that type of approach is effective and when it is wasted. They are coached. They don't roll their eyes at their position coach every practice who is always on their ass telling them that they are lazy and that they need to stop taking plays off.

Some of you armchair QB's and cubicle GM's are carelessly using the "taking plays off" moniker.

The bowl game footage is irrelevant to me although I don't see him playing poorly. There was a new coach named and a lame duck coach in charge and several players said they never even put the spread in until they got to shreveport despite weeks of time to prepare for it. They never should have gone. By the time they paid for all the vacant seats in their allotment the school made less than the travel expenses if anything at all. It was a complete mail-in for everyone.

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It's so funny to see all these people put Julius down like he wasn't one of the best players in the league when he was here. Coples has done exactly what he should have. He's a likely top 10 pick and is 100% healthy. Watch him dominate in the league.

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UNC got it right with Peppers....if not for him they would be held in the same light as Penn State RB's, USC WR's, and FL Qb's in terms of producing NFL DLinemen

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It's so funny to see all these people put Julius down like he wasn't one of the best players in the league when he was here. Coples has done exactly what he should have. He's a likely top 10 pick and is 100% healthy. Watch him dominate in the league.

When he wanted to be he was, sure.

The problem was he very rarely wanted to be considered the best player in the league - well not unless it was a contract year, or if the spotlight was on him (Rookie season & any prime time games).

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:lol: people comparing coples to mario?

wow.

Different players for sure but very similar skill sets. Mock drafts before this past season had Cope at #2 behind Luck, exactly where Mario went. Considering the debacle at UNC with impending infractions, coaching changes, a lost season or possibly two previously projected in the top ten in the nation and the fact that there was never a knock on his "motor" prior to this past season under these conditions allows me to bestow the benefit of the doubt.

So for me its a trust but verify situation and there will be plenty of opportunities for him to prove his abilities in the coming months.

I don't see how he deserves the death penalty at this point and I don't see any pundits saddling him with that level of doubt since the Senior Bowl practices started.

I have heard that the initial burst is in question by some. I don't think he has what JPP has in that category either but it remains to be seen if those opinions are enough to drop his status.

Still lots to evaluate here.

:cheers2:

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As much as I have defended Coples I still don't really want us to draft him even if he is there unless we can move him inside.

The Tar Heel I would like to see us draft is Zach Brown. He is a perfect fit for what we try to do on defense with our linebackers. His only question mark is whether he can consistently hold his edge. But he shoots the gaps better than anyone in this draft which is a big part of our defense and he is good in coverage because he runs about a 4.4 40. Unfortunately we are picking too high to draft him at #8 and he likely will be gone by our second round pick.

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So for me its a trust but verify situation and there will be plenty of opportunities for him to prove his abilities in the coming months.

the issue for me, though, ins't him proving himself in coming months.

i KNOW how massively talented he is. i KNOW that he can dominate. people are seeing exactly what he is capable of now and they will for the next few months.

the issue for me is why we didn't see that more while at carolina. some of you may have seen that, but i just don't/didn't.

there's no denying his talent and potential. i think there is serious reasons to doubt his drive. when times gets tough, what is he going to do? is he going to be showing the constant hustle he is now or is he going to be just trying to make a big play every now and then?

i don't know. i just know that i haven't seen the motor, enthuisiasm, or hustle that i like to see in a top 10 pick. i don't see the level of commitment that i want to see.

if the panthers draft him, i'll be a believer until proven otherwise because i've got faith in rivera and hurney(at least in picking first rounders). until that point, though, i'll be hoping for someone else to gamble on him.

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I have a completely unbiased opinion, considering I am not a fan of UNC/NC St/Clemson/USC, etc.. and I don't watch much ACC football.

Coples looks like he would be dominant if he applied himself 100%. I have seen him when he gives 100% effort and he flat out dominates. Other times, it just seems like he doesn't even try. He reminds me very much of JP in that regard. I don't think his motor is great, and I don't know how much he loves the game.

He is flat out dominating everyone opposite of him at the senior bowl. He came to play.. but of course he going to put his best foot forward.. that is a very impressive foot. You'd have to be a confident coach that you can keep this guy motivated.

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I have a completely unbiased opinion, considering I am not a fan of UNC/NC St/Clemson/USC, etc.. and I don't watch much ACC football.

Coples looks like he would be dominant if he applied himself 100%. I have seen him when he gives 100% effort and he flat out dominates. Other times, it just seems like he doesn't even try. He reminds me very much of JP in that regard. I don't think his motor is great, and I don't know how much he loves the game.

He is flat out dominating everyone opposite of him at the senior bowl. He came to play.. but of course he going to put his best foot forward.. that is a very impressive foot. You'd have to be a confident coach that you can keep this guy motivated.

that's pretty much where i am.

the biuggest problem is i see people that you have to work at to keep motivated or are hoping for a coach that can keep him motivated as a red flag or at the very least a big bright waving yellow caution flag...esp. when you are talking about taking them so early.

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that's pretty much where i am.

the biuggest problem is i see people that you have to work at to keep motivated or are hoping for a coach that can keep him motivated as a red flag or at the very least a big bright waving yellow caution flag...esp. when you are talking about taking them so early.

I agree. My biggest problem is when you add money in to this situation motivation gets harder to muster.

Albert Haynesworth.

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