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The American military is really good at killing women and children

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I gues not much when you put it that way but when you consider the fact that Al Quaida considered itself at war with us when it did that and we consider ourselves at war with the insurgents, it kinda levels out as acts of combat.

I don't understand how you can justify killing innocents based on 9/11 when supposedly, the death of innocents was the abomination which sent this country into war.

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yep.

hey guys i know some of you have a sick fascination with me, my sex life, and all sorts of other things but this is a pretty serious problem with the American military and the way it conducts itself and is indicative of its inability to effectively fight this kind of war and probably warrants an honest discussion.

but this will just turn into a thread about me.

Yeah, that's it Fiz, we're all obsessed with you...:crazy:

I just find it curious that one day you're talking about joining the military and the next you're talking about how they're indiscriminate murderers. I guess you don't see the irony in that.

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do tell what did iraq have to do with 9/11

I gues not much when you put it that way but when you consider the fact that Al Quaida considered itself at war with us when it did that and we consider ourselves at war with the insurgents, it kinda levels out as acts of combat.

Translation = Nothing.

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I just find it curious that one day you're talking about joining the military and the next you're talking about how they're indiscriminate murderers. I guess you don't see the irony in that.

no not really.

everything has problems. Also I wouldn't be going infantry or artillery.

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I don't understand how you can justify killing innocents based on 9/11 when supposedly, the death of innocents was the abomination which sent this country into war.

Because they are camel herders and we are bankers, duh! We also love freedom and they do not.

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Remember, murder is always murder unless it's collateral damage.

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Yeah...and we firebombed Dresden...firebombed Tokyo...dropped two nukes...blowed up most of Germany.

We should just be more open and honest about our killings and line them up against ditches and shoot them in the heads. We just don't have the stomach for REAL genocide. (<-- this is sarcasm)

I loathe war...but sometimes it's required. To say that the US/UK forces do not take into account ROE when innocent lives are at risk...is a lie. I don't see ROE footage on a wide scale using infared/etc to conduct operations where women/children are purposefully targetted. If part of the grand scheme of an operation is to destroy a building that's housing a bomb factory and it happens to house some women and children...then so be it. Technically it's against the Geneva conv to target a person with a > certain calibre weapon. But if that person happens to be ON a bongo truck...it's free game...and ROE tells them to not stop firing until they are dead. Grey area...but it's technically legal.

You can't nitpick wars. You do the best you can...you try to do things as humanely as possible...but it is war. If you are a woman/child in an area known for creating weapons...targetting civilians of another religous sect or military positions in the area...leave. You shouldn't be there. During ww2 we dropped leaflets on Japan warning about the 2nd atom bomb...we didn't have to do it. You can't drop leaflets over Iraq every day....common sense should take root in the innocent civilians' heads.

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I loathe war...but sometimes it's required.

But this time it wasn't, which is the problem really.

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You can't nitpick wars. You do the best you can...you try to do things as humanely as possible...but it is war. If you are a woman/child in an area known for creating weapons...targetting civilians of another religous sect or military positions in the area...leave. You shouldn't be there. During ww2 we dropped leaflets on Japan warning about the 2nd atom bomb...we didn't have to do it. You can't drop leaflets over Iraq every day....common sense should take root in the innocent civilians' heads.

omfg...there is some sense in your post, and I actually agree with it...:eek:

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