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what went wrong with the panthers run defense?


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#25 Mr. Scot

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:29 PM

I always prefer looking at the entire front seven when we're talking about run defense, not just the line. I like that this article covers more than just the front guys.

I'd agree that the ends (Hardy in particular) started off the year a lot better than they finished it. The question you'd ask yourself would be how much time they had to spend making up for poor DT play.

And while I know we're discussing things other than injuries, it's hard to discount just how much Jon Beason was missed.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:35 PM

Hopefully Edwards, Beason, and Davis (crosses fingers) being healthy will help a lot. Also a FS that can tackle won't hurt either.

It all related. Can't stop runs up the middle then the entire defense has to compensate. The team is so worried about not getting gashed for 5 yards a carry up the middle and RBs start bouncing it on the outside.

Hopefully our 2 rookie DTs improve or we get someone in the draft.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:37 PM

Hopefully Edwards, Beason, and Davis (crosses fingers) being healthy will help a lot. Also a FS that can tackle won't hurt either.

It all related. Can't stop runs up the middle then the entire defense has to compensate. The team is so worried about not getting gashed for 5 yards a carry up the middle and RBs start bouncing it on the outside.

Hopefully our 2 rookie DTs improve or we get someone in the draft.

good points and agreed.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:37 PM

For the record Jason Williams was just horrendous at getting off blocks. And I did think Neblett, Kearse, and Shirley were better then Fua and McClain just from what I watched.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:47 PM

Maybe if we had more than 2 legit starters in our front 7 we could do better

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:53 PM

What you have to seperate is how many of those runs up the middle broke into the secondary for big gains which ups the average yards per carry. Without Beason in there and even Connor for stretches not only did we get gashed on the right side and up the middle, but they were sometimes for huge gains. Hopefully with Beason back and someone solid at SAM if not davis, teams don't break big ones.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

The problem was not just a porous line but once they got to second level we were awful bringing them down (31st). On power running which is stopping them on 3rd or 4th and short we were right at the league average (64% versus league average of 62%).. Again this suggests that the line was part of the problem but the secondary and linebackers were poor in run support as well. Unless we address the back seven as well, getting a DT or even DE won't solve the problem. That is why I am in favor of going defense with most of the draft.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:20 PM

You also have to take into account on the right side there were 2 players with an avg of an 1/2 year under there belt. Most DEs that are not drafted high developed much later then there second year. Top that off with compensating for the DT and bad things happen. Also Anderson who is a vet was not closing fast enough so that a huge problem as well. \

Its kinda funny, I remember when people were say Mario Williams was a bust after his First year. Now he is seen as one of the better LB/DEs.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:05 PM

Hardy was a huge liabilty against the run and both are safeties were ranked among the worst in missed tackles last year. We need to find a replacement for Hardy and Martin this offseason. Linebacker is also becoming a possible need with Connor being a free agent and our depth at linebacker proved to be not nearly as good as I thought it was last year. I hope Davis and Beason both come back as good as ever but we'll need some sort of insurance behind them, especially Davis.

With a full offseason and mini camps back hopefully we can see some improvement out of both Fua and Mcclain. Then Edwards who is hopefully back healthy and at least a solid starter would be nice so we can focus on other needs in the first.

I'f/when we add an upgrade the # 2 corner that should also help on the outside run support in addition to providng better cover skills.

After thinking about our defense I can no longer justify us taking any offensive player in the first other than Kalil or Blackmon if they fall. CB,DE,FS,LB/DT, in that order are needs of importance this offseason for our defense imo.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:44 PM

this just really means that both DT and LDE were a problem. given a disproportionate amount of runs go up the middle, where the DTs are, it's still a huge liability, and as bad as Hardy and Anderson were defending runs to the right, it didn't convince teams to run there a lot more than a team usually would.

the front seven needs to be addressed in both top 2 picks

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:00 PM

Keiser and Applewhite are nothing more than DPR's.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:10 AM

Big fat ass in the middle. Strong as 4 horses.