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#31 carpanfan96

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:48 PM

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.


He did and the information came from NFL teams, how they got that information....ehhh

However he mentions that his scouts talked to some people in Auburn and got the same type of answer from them. Maybe a player or two had an issue with Cam about something...who knows...

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

loved it rayzor

if Nolan is/was a savvy 'scout' he would know that you cannot trust an assessment from a coach/gm/exec/team scout around draft time

acquiring players is not a joke to these people, its their jobs
in the past these people have been known to lie, burry documents, burn/hide game tape/film, all to increase their chances of landing the prospect they want

i was watching 3 for the show about Newton,Locker and Tyrod Taylor and its too funny the difference between how NFL cooches talked to Gil Brandt about Cam vs the way media talked about Cam
it wasn't even close they all talked about Cam in superlatives, the Browns were hoping Cam could fall to them and joked that 'anything could happen'

i think the media scouts views don't represent actual scouts/gms views and that is why the media portrays certain moves as 'reaches' when the truth is probably that they the media scouts had it wrong in the first place

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:01 PM

Rayzor does a better job sticking it to people for criticizing a player's character than i'm sure a lot of agents do.... someone get this man a new job....

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:08 PM

loved it rayzor

if Nolan is/was a savvy 'scout' he would know that you cannot trust an assessment from a coach/gm/exec/team scout around draft time
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i think the media scouts views don't represent actual scouts/gms views and that is why the media portrays certain moves as 'reaches' when the truth is probably that they the media scouts had it wrong in the first place

if these guys had actual talent as scouts they would be employed by teams. only a couple of them make any kind of real money from doing this.

if i were them i would take every bit of information i was lucky enough to get from real life scouts and GMs with a grain of salt knowing that they probably are feeding me bad intel.

they are for the most part tools (of real life scouts) trying desprately to gain any kind of authority they can to get traffic to their blog and hopefully get noticed by someone who matters.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.


ahh I misread this one thing:
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Spoke with at least two people I know. I confirmed with them they spoke to him. Auburn teammate said same thing last year

I took that to mean he had confirmed with 2 people he knew that they had spoken to him, and an Auburn teammate said the same thing (implying that Nawrocki spoke to the teammate and with the two people he knew).

doesn't matter either way, was a stupid thing to publish..

dunno why he needed that one "fake smile" sentence at all.

Edited by mav1234, 02 February 2012 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:19 PM

So this "Professional Draftnik" thing is like some small cottage industry that pumps out written evaluation pieces/ blogs that attempt to provide fans with draft prospect info, while believing that they have influence over the ones that do this for a real living? They aren't real scouts or journalists? Maybe the only way to get noticed in this field is to take some extreme opinions and try to get yourself noticed by putting them out there. NN accomplished that regardless of the validity of his work. I'd bet that he's glad he published it even though he was wrong. Excuse? I'd bet on "We all miss every once and a while". Either way, I know his name now and I've never heard of him before.

I'll admit to being interested in all the draft info I can digest, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take it like someone's spreading lies about my mama.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:47 PM

I don't know why this is so surprising. This discussion could have been with just about any draftnik about any player. These so-called draft experts do not have the access to players or coaches like teams do. They often have to rely on second hand information to make their evaluations. That's why guys like Mayock said "if" Cam is willing to put in the work he has an unlimited ceiling. The thing is, they can evaluate tape, pro days, the combine, etc., but a) do not have the resources, and B) do not have the access to truly evaluate the non-performance aspects of a player.

The best ones have many different sources that provide them with info, so they can corraborate what they hear with multiple sources, thus feeling pretty comfortable that what they report is accurate, while others without that kind of network tend to be more hit and miss on their evaluations.

Just to be clear, I am not defending NN, he clearly did not verify his intel with a broad enough net and should have not been so aggressive in his evaluation.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:52 PM

rayzor was simply trying to make him admit he is pretty worthless at his job, ironically ryzr did this instead of his own job

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:56 PM

Nice work. Don't let these bastards off the hook.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

rayzor was simply trying to make him admit he is pretty worthless at his job, ironically ryzr did this instead of his own job

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meh...i'm sure my boss (me) won't mind. :)

i ain't saying anything to my wife, tho. :o

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:57 AM

from what i could tell, he talked to the same "sources" that nawrocki did...none of which were auburn or blinn coaches or players. essentially they talked to people who talked to people who "knew". it was all 3rd hand info from unnamed sources citing unnamed sources.


So you pretty much brought to light what many had already assumed.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 03:18 AM

If you really didn't care and moved on you wouldn't be spending time on it. Just saying

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:24 AM

So this "Professional Draftnik" thing is like some small cottage industry that pumps out written evaluation pieces/ blogs that attempt to provide fans with draft prospect info, while believing that they have influence over the ones that do this for a real living? They aren't real scouts or journalists? Maybe the only way to get noticed in this field is to take some extreme opinions and try to get yourself noticed by putting them out there. NN accomplished that regardless of the validity of his work. I'd bet that he's glad he published it even though he was wrong. Excuse? I'd bet on "We all miss every once and a while". Either way, I know his name now and I've never heard of him before.

I'll admit to being interested in all the draft info I can digest, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take it like someone's spreading lies about my mama.


:iagree:

Although NN played at Illinois.. the sad part is that ALL/MOST have NEVER even played the game...even at the HS level.

That's why I get frustrated have played at that D1 level and coached ball... I keep it all based off the film I get and evaluate. Everything else is irrelevant. And a lot of these "draftniks" don't know what they are looking at. I.E. every player that catches a pass or makes a nice run does NOT make them a NFL prospect.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:41 AM

yay, posts about twittering!

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:43 AM

If you really didn't care and moved on you wouldn't be spending time on it. Just saying

i just happened to notice the conversation and got curious so i jumped in. there wasn't anything really urgent i was wrking on so why not?


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