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Grammer

wow republicans really flushed this one down the shitter, didn't they

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The attributes that now surround the party completely turn me off and it sucks because the Dems are the same. After Bush, they had the opportunity to completely change their image yet they doubled down on everything that has made independents and centrists tune out. Its just all negativity x200000000, anger, and frustration amplified.

To top it off they clearly don't even know the people they are trying to win votes for. They just completely misinterpret their own population which is as funny as is sad. Same with the Dems and their respective positions. Neither side is fooling anyone anymore.

That's why numbers are down in many states for voting. This crowd that they think they are catering doesn't exist at the level they think it does. If they get Santorum they lose plain and simple. There goes the women vote, the latinos, and the more socially open minded side of their party. They really want to lose.

I think you are right on pretty much all counts. It's funny, because the general idea of limited, largely hands-off government, particularly at the federal level is something that appeals to me at a base level. Yet the social push the party has taken has turned me off so thoroughly, along with some of the realities of American society, that I have really been voting consistently more Democrat than I actually feel I am. I may agree with Obama on more issues than the current crop of Republicans, but I certainly am not happy with him.

The reality is I'd still rather have Obama than Santorum, just because he frightens me so much. No, Obama isn't even close to perfect, but Santorum scares the poo out of me. Even if I like to think he wouldn't actually enforce the batpoo crazy ideas he has, I don't want to risk it.

I know many voters in their early to mid twenties are attracted to a lot of the "ideals" that are portrayed as the foundation of the Republican party, but the reality of what the party has become, and it's national figures, really drives moderate people away. In many ways, the Dems do too, but I don't think they do in quite the same way.

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Geez, who made that map? Texas going blue? Can't see any circumstance where that happens. Don't see much of a chance for NC and Georgia going for Obama. HE barely won NC last time, and had much more favorable ratings. But I do agree that overall, things are looking good for Obama right now. Regardless of who wins the nomination. Romney might have a slight chance, but none of the others have much of a shot at all.

Texas has a better shot at going blue than most people think. I seriously doubt it'll happen this time, but by 2016 I can see Texas being a swing state and by 2020/2024 it could go blue. I see it as similar to what's happened in Virginia/Colorado where population shifting has new, more liberal voters moving in and putting the state in play.

If Santorum wins the nomination and the economy keeps improving... Obama right now isn't trailing by THAT much in Texas. I saw a poll in December with him leading Rick Perry in Texas by 2 points and Gingrich by 4. If Santorum is the nominee and runs a poor campaign, picks a poor running mate, and the economy keeps getting better, it wouldn't be a HUGE shock to see Obama win Texas.

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Damn that's scary.

But what we need here is perspective. November is still a long way away. Not sure why we have to keep learning this lesson.

*2008: McCain was third, at best, among Republicans when the year started. No one had any clue who Sarah Palin was. Meanwhile, Hillary was the heavy favorite over Obama.

*1992: Everyone laughed at the field of Democrats and said they had no chance against Bush. Every one of the candidates had huge issue problems, including Clinton, who had a new scandal every two weeks. Perot was in, then he was out, then he was back in again.

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Wasn't Goldwater the first one to mobilize the Christian right on behalf of Reagan?

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I kind of doubt it, and if it was, it was very early on, Goldwater was in opposition to a lot of what the religious right stood for.

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yea, i think i'm mistaken about that.

either way, i've always had great respect for goldwater.

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Like I said in another thread, the Republicans are doomed until they finally let go of all conservative Bible-thumping ideals that are going to hold them back.

To be quite honest, as Science progresses decade by decade, people are finally starting to realize that religion belongs in history, not in the future. More and more people are coming to terms that they just dont believe anymore, and quite honestly, alot of so-called Christians dont believe themselves, they just show up to church because they are afraid of the word "agnostic" or "atheist", and more importantly... are afraid of being labeled as one by thier community.

The main supporter base for the ultra conservatives are people that are 70+ years of age, the generation before the 'boomers' that pushed for social revolution. The 'boomers' were tired of the ultra-conservatism back then, and they still are now.

Christians are seen more and more as loonies every day, and people that dont fundamentally believe are scared o have a country run by a mad-man that wants to end abortion, censor hollywood, start wars in the middle-east and defend isreal to the death.

Get religion out of your politics if you want to remain an equal party to the democrats.

I find the situation to be very scary, because I think that the democrats are going to spend us into oblivion, and I cant imagine a scenario that will defeat them until this happens.

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Christians are seen more and more as loonies every day, and people that dont fundamentally believe are scared o have a country run by a mad-man that wants to end abortion, censor hollywood, start wars in the middle-east and defend isreal to the death.

this.

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Like I said in another thread, the Republicans are doomed until they finally let go of all conservative Bible-thumping ideals that are going to hold them back.

They are more doomed if they do let go. Social Conservatives make up a very large part of republican voters, maybe as high as 40%. Not all of them are as extreme as some, but lose them, say to a third party for example, and it will be a long time before the republicans win another national election.

And imo, the fiscal conservatives in the tea party are being just as hard headed if not more so than the evangelicals.

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They are more doomed if they do let go. Social Conservatives make up a very large part of republican voters, maybe as high as 40%. Not all of them are as extreme as some, but lose them, say to a third party for example, and it will be a long time before the republicans win another national election.

And imo, the fiscal conservatives in the tea party are being just as hard headed if not more so than the evangelicals.

I think that your right, but i think that they can do it, it would just take maybe 10 or 15 years.

I think that there are millions of people who believe in capitalism, small government and less regulation, but are turned off to the strong Christian values crammed down their throat, and think that our government should be separate from religion like it is supposed to be according to the Constitution.

I think that the fundamentalists would come around when they figure out that they can practice they're religion at home, but still be economically conservative when it comes to politics.

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I vote on social issues so the Republicans, as I've said before, will not be considered by me until they get rid of this monkey on their back.

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