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[g5jamz]

http://www.nytimes.c...ir.html?_r=2

Read it for yourselves...and this is key to why Cheney is saying release ALL the information.

[Davidson Deac II]

If I had a suspect in detention, and I found out later on that he had information that would have prevented a deadly attack, I would feel guilty if I hadn't used every method at my disposal to obtain the information.

[Htar]

No question those methods worked...And they must not be too unbearable if you can take it 288 times. Obama will continue to undermine our security by buddying up to bad guys throughout the world.

[Matt Foley]

I love America. I hate Obama.

[Fiz]

No question those methods worked...And they must not be too unbearable if you can take it 288 times. Obama will continue to undermine our security by buddying up to bad guys throughout the world.

[ame][/ame]

you sick fug

[rodeo]

waterboarding works when the person is convinced you will kill them with it.

to convince someone of that, you have to kill someone with it.

[Matt Foley]

Guy on O'Reilly last night said that torture only works when you have someone that you KNOW has information you need. Names. Places. Times. Otherwise the person can just tell you anything. But apparently waterboarding prevented another 9/11 (in Los Angeles, per Karl Rove).

[cookinwithgas]

Or he was watching 24.

[Zod]

Yeah, torture is absolutely fine for us to do as long as it works.


Good lord look what we have become.

[Zod]

(in Los Angeles, per Karl Rove).

Well then, that settles it.


lol

[Davidson Deac II]

Yeah, torture is absolutely fine for us to do as long as it works.


Good lord look what we have become.

Torture one Al Qaeda member to save a thousand. I would say that is merely common sense. In a few rare cases, the ends justify the means. And yes, I am a moral relativist.

Edited by Davidson Deac II, 22 April 2009 - 06:08 AM.

[Darth Biscuit]

Torture one Al Qaeda member to save a thousand. I would say that is merely common sense. In a few rare cases, the ends justify the means.

On the surface I would tend to agree with you on this, but the problem is that once the pandora's box on torture is open, you can't close it. It has opened our troops up to MORE torture in the hands of our enemies and we can no longer take the high moral ground in regards to this issue.

I know, the argument is that our troops and citizens are already tortured, beheaded, etc. by groups like Al Qaeda, but why should we stoop to their level? It does suck that we can't repay them in kind, but vengeance is not a good reason for torture either.

[Zod]

Torture one Al Qaeda member to save a thousand. I would say that is merely common sense. In a few rare cases, the ends justify the means. And yes, I am a moral relativist.

What about to save hundreds?

What about to save dozens?

What about to save one?

Yes?

[Davidson Deac II]

What about to save hundreds?

What about to save dozens?

What about to save one?

Yes?

Maybe, depends on who the one was. Another Al Qaeda member, no. A child, maybe. It would be a judgement call. And regardless, there were three (that we know of) Al Qaeda members that were tortured. All three were high level members, so its not like we were torturing a gofer who knew nothing.

[Davidson Deac II]

On the surface I would tend to agree with you on this, but the problem is that once the pandora's box on torture is open, you can't close it. It has opened our troops up to MORE torture in the hands of our enemies and we can no longer take the high moral ground in regards to this issue.

I know, the argument is that our troops and citizens are already tortured, beheaded, etc. by groups like Al Qaeda, but why should we stoop to their level? It does suck that we can't repay them in kind, but vengeance is not a good reason for torture either.

IMO, the argument that they do it is irrelevant. The sole purpose is to gain information, nothing else matters. If nothing can be obtained, then there is no reason to torture. And the cases in which its done should be very, extremely rare. It hasn't opened our troops to more torture, because they were doing this type of thing well before our own info got out.

Like most critical decisions, its a judgement call. You have to trust the judgement of the people in charge.