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Torture one Al Qaeda member to save a thousand. I would say that is merely common sense. In a few rare cases, the ends justify the means. And yes, I am a moral relativist.

What about to save hundreds?

What about to save dozens?

What about to save one?

Yes?

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What about to save hundreds?

What about to save dozens?

What about to save one?

Yes?

Maybe, depends on who the one was. Another Al Qaeda member, no. A child, maybe. It would be a judgement call. And regardless, there were three (that we know of) Al Qaeda members that were tortured. All three were high level members, so its not like we were torturing a gofer who knew nothing.

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On the surface I would tend to agree with you on this, but the problem is that once the pandora's box on torture is open, you can't close it. It has opened our troops up to MORE torture in the hands of our enemies and we can no longer take the high moral ground in regards to this issue.

I know, the argument is that our troops and citizens are already tortured, beheaded, etc. by groups like Al Qaeda, but why should we stoop to their level? It does suck that we can't repay them in kind, but vengeance is not a good reason for torture either.

IMO, the argument that they do it is irrelevant. The sole purpose is to gain information, nothing else matters. If nothing can be obtained, then there is no reason to torture. And the cases in which its done should be very, extremely rare. It hasn't opened our troops to more torture, because they were doing this type of thing well before our own info got out.

Like most critical decisions, its a judgement call. You have to trust the judgement of the people in charge.

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Maybe, depends on who the one was. Another Al Qaeda member, no. A child, maybe. It would be a judgement call. And regardless, there were three (that we know of) Al Qaeda members that were tortured. All three were high level members, so its not like we were torturing a gofer who knew nothing.

We had Carl Spackler for that.

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Let's face it...liberals don't have the stomach for anything. Let's don't torture. Let's don't update our weapons. Let's let aggressive countries do whatever they want. They want to turn the US into France, circa 1940. You may not like it, but the truth is that an America that held its ground outlasted communism, and it will outlast terrorism, too. Unless, of course, someone like Obama shows the other side our cards. Oopsie.

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conservatives are super tough!

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conservatives are super tough!

Thank you. :D

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What about to save hundreds?

What about to save dozens?

What about to save one?

Yes?

yes.

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Basic human rights are what they are.

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Let's face it...liberals don't have the stomach for anything. Let's don't torture. Let's don't update our weapons. Let's let aggressive countries do whatever they want. They want to turn the US into France, circa 1940. You may not like it, but the truth is that an America that held its ground outlasted communism, and it will outlast terrorism, too. Unless, of course, someone like Obama shows the other side our cards. Oopsie.

Ah the ol' stomach argument. For when one wants to be able to act like a paleolithic cave dweller, this is the one they always roll out.

No, we just are in possession of a brain and realize the world does not work like 24, that torture has shown to have a shaky track record at best in retreiving information.

You know what does work though. When you start killing loved ones one by one in front of the person. We should do that. Slinging babies against the wall until daddy finally cracks.

Who's in?

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Ah the ol' stomach argument. For when one wants to be able to act like a paleolithic cave dweller, this is the one they always roll out.

No, we just are in possession of a brain and realize the world does not work like 24, that torture has shown to have a shaky track record at best in retreiving information.

You know what does work though. When you start killing loved ones one by one in front of the person. We should do that. Slinging babies against the wall until daddy finally cracks.

Who's in?

This, ladies and gentlemen (and Zod), is the textbook example of a strawman argument. Concocted by the expert on this board at building straw man arguments.

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And what exactly is the LIBERULS ARE JUST LIKE FRANCE argument?

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