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[Ruff]

So, I've thought about the trade that I mentioned here, and I wanted to lay out what it would look like. This is the way that I hope the draft day will actually go.

The Trade
Carolina Receives:
Cleveland's 2012 1st round pick [from the Falcons] (#22)
Cleveland's 2012 2nd round pick (#36)
Cleveland's 2012 4th round pick [from the Falcons] (TBD)
Cleveland's 2013 2nd round pick (TBD)

Cleveland Receives:
Carolina's 2012 1st round pick (#9)

The Draft
Round 1, Pick #22 - Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State University
Jerel Worthy is a monster, and he's proven it on the field. I think that Poe will be gone by this point, as well as Brockers, but Worthy is definitely a 'worthy' pick. He destroyed the Wisconsin offensive line last season, showing that he can beat some of the best, most NFL prepared offensive lines in college football. John Settle definitely knows how good Wisconsin's offensive line is, after his years as running back coach there.

Worthy isn't as big as Poe, but he's strong. He isn't as raw, with as much upside as Brockers, but he's already starting worthy. Worthy demands double teams, or else he can disrupt the pocket early and often. There was a reason the guy was named an All-American last season. Beside of Ron Edwards, we could have a strong

Round 2, Pick #4 - Chase Minnifield, CB, Virgina
Chase Minnifield has been in my last two mocks, honestly because I keep turning towards him. He's smart, well taught, and has a great lineage. The comparisons to Asante Samuel are all over the place, and Sean McDermott knows how valuable that a guy like Asante Samuel is to his blitz happy offense. Beside of, and learning from, Chris Gamble, Chase Minnifield could actually be a star in the making.

I would prefer this pick be Janoris Jenkins, I'm not going to lie, but I think that the Patriots will take Jenkins in the late 1st round, as the Patriots have a desperate need for a CB, and never shy away from guys with potential character problems.

Round 2, Pick #8 - Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
We already have a Miami LB on the roster, and how has that worked out for us? Sean Spence is an instant starter in the NFL, and maybe one of the top five LBs in the draft. He's smart, he's fast, and he is a true student of the game. The guy can recognize plays instantly, and doesn't use any unnecessary movements closing on the ball. Thomas Davis could potentially back Spence up, if his knees prove able to handle some the small playtime as that, but Spence could definitely learn from the likes of Thomas Davis, making him a real stud.

Spence compares very closely to Thomas Davis, Spence is 5'11, Davis was 6'0. Spence weighs 231lbs, Davis weighs 240. Spence definitely wasn't a safety in college, but both players are very fast, and play very similarly.

Round 4, Pick #8 - Markelle Martin, FS, OK State
Markelle Martin stands out because of his flash in the big-time games. His last two bowl appearances (one of which was against Andrew Luck and the Stanford Cardinal) have been incredible. The guy is incredibly fast, can close on the ball quickly, and has the big-hit ability that have shown in flashes from Sherrod Martin. Markelle may sit for a year behind Sherrod, but he could learn the defense as he goes, and be an incredible asset to Special Teams where he started his career in college.

Markelle Martin didn't participate in the Combine because of a knee injury, and that injury could allow him to drop to us in the early 4th round.

Round 4, Pick TBD - Joe Adams, WR/OW, Arkansas
Joe Adams provides an instant upgrade to Punt Returner and Kick Returner, replacing Armanti almost immediately. Joe also gives us a flexible option in the slot receiver spot by being a similar sized guy as Armanti, but while playing his natural position. Joe also took hand-offs out of the backfield, giving another wrinkle to the offense for Cam, Chud, and the rest of the offense.

I had originally hoped that Chris Rainey would be here, but I think he'll go near the end of the 3rd, and if not, he'll definitely be gone by the later end of the 4th.

Round 5, Pick TBD - Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
Nate Potter has actually drawn comparisons to Nate Solder. Seriously. But, he needs to work on a few things before he can get into the NFL. Sometimes, he gets caught flat-footed and just lets guys bull-rush around him. (Byron Bell?) But he has the potential to be a very, very good player if he works on the things he needs to work on. I think he could immediately replace Byron Bell if his OTAs and Training Camp go as well as they should, but, competition could only make Byron Bell better.

Round 6, Pick TBD - Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
Ryan Broyles suffered a pretty serious knee injury while playing at Oklahoma, but if not, his stock would've soared come the Combine. The guy is the All-Time leading receiver with 347 catches. He's small, like Joe Adams, but he could be a great WR if he fully recovers and learns the game. Steve Smith could teach this guy a lot. Ryan Broyles also played for a winning program in college, with a very prestigious tradition, so he's a guy that could fit the mold that Cam is looking for, a guy that wants to win.

Round 6(or 7), Compensatory Pick TBD - Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
I don’t know if Derek Anderson will be back, and I think Pickles will be off the team next season, so that leaves a hole to be filled in the late rounds. Russell Wilson is cut from the same mold as RGIII, he’s only shorter, which drops him into the late rounds. He had a fantastic season at Wisconsin, and played very well at NC State before he graduated. Drafting Russell Wilson will allow the back-up QB to be similar to the starting QB, so that whenever Wilson has to step in, the offense doesn’t change at all.

Round 7, Pick TBD - Drew Butler, P, Georgia
I know some people don't think we should draft a Punter, but you have to ask yourself if the punter is going to be there as a UDFA, and if he's good enough to use a final draft pick on. Drew Butler is that good. He's not Quinn Sharp, but he's definitely good. With Jason Baker having the most punt returns for TDs among active punters, we need to start looking elsewhere. A guy that averaged 44yards+ punting last season definitely could fit that mold.

Edited by RufftownRepresent, 29 February 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[JawnyBlaze]

I wouldn't want Worthy in the 1st at all (one of the top 3 DTs should be available there, Brockers, Poe, or more likely Cox). Don't think Markelle Martin will be available in the 4th. I think picking Martin where Spence was taken and Demario Davis where Martin was taken would be more to my liking. Other than that, I like it.

[Ruff]

I wouldn't want Worthy in the 1st at all (one of the top 3 DTs should be available there, Brockers, Poe, or more likely Cox). Don't think Markelle Martin will be available in the 4th. I think picking Martin where Spence was taken and Demario Davis where Martin was taken would be more to my liking. Other than that, I like it.

I was thinking that Martin should definitely be a 2nd round pick, but, he does have that knee injury, and I think that might hurt his stock a little. That, and the nice Combine that Iloka (sp?) had.

But, I think that Worthy is one of the Top 3 or 4 DTs in this draft. He dominated last season at Michigan State, and destroyed a great Wisconsin offensive line. At 22, I think you're looking at either Worthy or Cox, because I think that Brockers will go early, and someone will get fascinated with Poe and take him between 15-20.

Between Cox and Worthy, though, I don't think you can go wrong.

[JawnyBlaze]

(or Spence in the 4th if Davis is gone)

[Ruff]

(or Spence in the 4th if Davis is gone)

I seriously doubt that Spence will make it out of the 2nd round. The guy had a pretty good Combine, and is very well respected/recognized amongst college football.

[JawnyBlaze]

I was thinking that Martin should definitely be a 2nd round pick, but, he does have that knee injury, and I think that might hurt his stock a little. That, and the nice Combine that Iloka (sp?) had.

But, I think that Worthy is one of the Top 3 or 4 DTs in this draft. He dominated last season at Michigan State, and destroyed a great Wisconsin offensive line. At 22, I think you're looking at either Worthy or Cox, because I think that Brockers will go early, and someone will get fascinated with Poe and take him between 15-20.

Between Cox and Worthy, though, I don't think you can go wrong.

Yea, there's definitely a chance Martin could slip, but I don't think he's any lower than the 2nd best FS in the draft, no lower than 4th Safety. I've watched some Worthy videos on Youtube, and he looks good but not 1st round to me. In my view, there's the top 3 and then a bit of a fall off to Worthy and Thompson.

I also think Brockers and Poe will be long gone by 22, but there's always a chance one of them slips for whatever reason.

I also think if the Cowboys pass on him, there's a chance Jenkins falls to 22. He'd be a better value at #22 and we could probably still get Worthy at #40.

[Ruff]

I also think if the Cowboys pass on him, there's a chance Jenkins falls to 22. He'd be a better value at #22 and we could probably still get Worthy at #40.

I don't know how I feel about taking Jenkins, though. I think the guy will be a great player, but he's one of those guys that each person kind of worries about.

Do I think he's humbled by the situation? Absolutely. His press conference was actually moving. But, it's reported one scout said he wouldn't even get near him.

[Munch4455]

Trade doesn't work out. 1st(22), 2nd(36), and 4th alone would give us an edge by 40 points, much less a 2nd rounder next year.

Pick #9= 1350
Pick #22=780
Pick #34=540
Middle of 4 Round: 70

2nd Round in 2013(seeing as the browns will still be bad probably): Around 300-400 Points.(Some value comes off for being next years pick)

780+540+70=1390

Other than that, not a fan of Worth in the 1st, and not a fan of Minnifield in the second. Like the Martin pick, but as it has already been stated, unlikely he will be there in the 4th. Honestly don't know much about Spence so I can't even comment.

Edited by Munch4455, 29 February 2012 - 12:59 AM.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Broyles pick bothers me. Also, no pass rusher? Decent draft though.

[MHS831]

[quote name='RufftownRepresent']
Round 2, Pick #4 - Chase Minnifield, CB, Virgina
Chase Minnifield could actually be a star in the making
I agree. Has the making of a solid 10-year pro. Smart and good blood lines

Round 2, Pick #8 - Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
We already have a Miami LB on the roster, and how has that worked out for us? Sean Spence is an instant starter in the NFL, and maybe one of the top five LBs in the draft. He's smart, he's fast, and he is a true student of the game.
Had a 4.7 at combine which surprised me; give me Lavonte David if he is here, but I think, barring a fast pro day, that Spence is overvalued here

Round 4, Pick #8 - Markelle Martin, FS, OK State
Markelle Martin didn't participate in the Combine because of a knee injury, and that injury could allow him to drop to us in the early 4th round.
Good 4th round value if he is there

Round 4, Pick TBD - Joe Adams, WR/OW, Arkansas
Joe Adams provides an instant upgrade to Punt Returner and Kick Returner, replacing Armanti almost immediately.
We need to improve here. I like Devon Wiley as well

Round 5, Pick TBD - Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
Nate Potter has actually drawn comparisons to Nate Solder. Seriously. But, he needs to work on a few things before he can get into the NFL.
Nate Potter has eventual LT ability, but he needs a mean streak, like you say. He has upside, which needs to be strong when picking at the bottom of the draft.

Round 6, Pick TBD - Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
Ryan Broyles suffered a pretty serious knee injury while playing at Oklahoma, but if not, his stock would've soared come the Combine.
I read an article that said Broyles would be limited in the NFL. Still, in the sixth? Good Value

Round 6(or 7), Compensatory Pick TBD - Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
I would not count on Wilson as anything but the third QB for now, but he could be a decent NFL backup QB.

Round 7, Pick TBD - Drew Butler, P, Georgia
I take Butler here in a minute. How many comp 7th rounders ever make the PS? He would be on the active roster contributing. QUOTE]

I like Worthy. He had some good games. I too would prefer Cox. I like this draft-good work. Really like the Minnefield and the Martin picks in particular.

Edited by MHS831, 29 February 2012 - 10:19 AM.

[Ruff]

Trade doesn't work out. 1st(22), 2nd(36), and 4th alone would give us an edge by 40 points, much less a 2nd rounder next year.

Pick #9= 1350
Pick #22=780
Pick #34=540
Middle of 4 Round: 70

2nd Round in 2013(seeing as the browns will still be bad probably): Around 300-400 Points.(Some value comes off for being next years pick)

780+540+70=1390

I know the value chart says that it wouldn't work, but, I was thinking about it like this.

Cleveland would be giving up, really, two of their own picks (the 2nd this year and the 2nd next year), and two of Atlanta's picks. So, after they select Trent Richardson with their 4th pick, they could trade the picks Atlanta had given them to move up and grab a QB. In essence, it would be like Atlanta was giving them a QB.

Also, whenever you move up to grab a QB, the price always gets a little inflated, because QB have such a premium.

Thanks for the feedback every one.

[section543]

Been working on similar trade scenario myself. Would love to have multiple picks in top 50 without dropping too low. I agree that we would probably only get #22, #37, and #118 for our #9. I can't seem to get multiple 1st rounders other than NE who doesn't usually trade UP, and would put us down at 27 with first pick. As of today. with those picks from Cle, I would pick Poe, Gilmore, Martin- ASSUMING they are available.