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#1 cookinwithgas

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:45 PM

http://www.huffingto...ml?ref=politics

In a letter to Texas officials that was also filed in the court case in Washington, the Justice Department said Hispanic voters in Texas are more than twice as likely than non-Hispanic voters to lack a driver's license or personal state-issued photo ID. The department said that even the lowest estimates showed about half of Hispanic registered voters lack such identification.

The range was so broad because the state provided two sets of registered voter data.


It's such a slam dunk case of violating the Voter Rights Act it's not even humorous. I understand it's the Republicans last gasp effort to maintain their current policies for their old white voters but come on, have a little pride and integrity, Lincoln was once in your party.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1339356.html

A white guy got caught up in all this so maybe something will be done about it. See: Everything I've said about spending money (if we absolutely had to) on election reform, not the illegal VoterID crap

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:49 PM

Gosh. Think of all the people who have been disenfranchised when they get stopped at a random license check. Or think of all the people who get disenfranchised when asked for their ID to use a Credit Card. And wow... yeah... obviously it's racism when you get carded buying beer.

And you know, voting for who are your lawmakers is the least important thing of all the things you could be carded for.

Who knew everyone was so racist? Thankfully we have the Obama administration and Critical Race Theory to sort al this out for us.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

yeah that argument sucks, everyone knows it and I've proven it. You know damn well why these laws have been passed, you also know damn well that there's no evidence they are actually needed, and the money it costs has been proven to be wasted on any such effort to the point where spending it to correct the statistically insignifigant errors the voting process has would be a better allocation of assets.

Add to that the fact that the overwhelming majority of laws are passed by Republican legislatures and signed by Republican governors and it's clear that all this is is an attempt to circumvent the Voting Rights Act. That's really all there is to it.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:17 PM

http://www.wral.com/.../story/1468442/

Driving checkpoints disenfranchise hispanic motorists...according to CWG. Surprised Holder hasn't picked up on this.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:24 PM

cant argue with simple logic and facts, so its time for the "putting words in cookins mouth defense"

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 02:22 PM

yeah that argument sucks, everyone knows it and I've proven it. You know damn well why these laws have been passed, you also know damn well that there's no evidence they are actually needed, and the money it costs has been proven to be wasted on any such effort to the point where spending it to correct the statistically insignifigant errors the voting process has would be a better allocation of assets.


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Do you sound like Sylvester the Cat when you fire off one of these tirades?

Add to that the fact that the overwhelming majority of laws are passed by Republican legislatures and signed by Republican governors and it's clear that all this is is an attempt to circumvent the Voting Rights Act. That's really all there is to it.


These laws are being created and passed because of Voter Fraud. Just ONE case of voter fraud discredits the integrity and validity of an election process, period.

While you are spinning to make this a "Right/Left" issue, or a "Race" issue, what you fail to realize, is that no matter who passes this law, in the end the entire process is better off for it.

What were to happen if Republicans started casting fraudulent votes, or getting a group of people to vote who weren't legally allowed to? Well, a law like this would help prevent them from being successful at it. This isn't a "Democrats must show their ID law." Or a "Only Identified Repulicans can vote." law. It's a "Show your ID to vote law." Pretty fuging simple, and badly needed. I can't wait for this one to go to the Supreme Court.

You're just towing the party line, because ACORN and several other left-leaning groups got busted destroying the election process, and your party stood to benefit from it. The shoe could easily go on the other foot. It's a full blown case of Headimus Rectimus on display to argue against a law like this.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 02:30 PM

Oh yeah I keep forgetting the one case of voter fraud justifies it. The process is completely screwed up because of it. That's why the Voting Rights Act was passed - if the process worked that would not have been needed.

Your argument is based on nothing. Nothing at all.
My argument is based in pure statistics. I've proven over and over, to the point where I'm pretty sick of it, that the evidence shows clearly that voter fraud is much, much less of a disenfranchising activity than the mechanics of voting itself. It's not an arguable point, the two are so out of whack.

You go on and feel good about yourself and your desire to make sure that people can't vote because they don't vote the way you want them to - I'll stick with the evidence, the statistics, and the law, since they all point my way.

Thanks for the ACORN reference, been what? A week?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:21 PM

Hmmm... Wonder why half of the hispanic "voters" in Texas don't have an ID?

Probably because half of them are not American?

Why should Mexican and other Central and South American nationals be able to vote in an American election?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

Perez wrote that while the state says the new photo ID requirement is to "ensure electoral integrity and deter ineligible voters from voting" the state "did not include evidence of significant in-person voter impersonation not already addressed by the state's existing laws."

Perez added that the number of people lacking any personal ID or driver's license issued by
the state ranges from from 603,892 to 795,955, but of that span, 29-38 percent of them are Hispanic.

"According to the state's own data, a Hispanic registered voter is at least 46.5 percent, and potentially 120.0 percent, more likely than a non-Hispanic registered voter to lack this identification," Perez wrote.

"Even using the data most favorable to the state ... that disparity is statistically significant," he said.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1ow6tq2Jm


Um, you have to be a citizen to vote. It's already a law. The bold is why I am right and people that disagree with this are wrong. You have to provide a valid reason to enact a law, and there simply is not one. Thinking it's a good idea does not mean something needs to be a law. In this case, it's clear why the law was enacted.

And again, strange how it seems that everyone who complains about over reaching government in their lives seem to think this would be perfectly ok. I certainly don't recall that a "valid photo ID" was one of the requirements of voters in the Constitution, was it?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:34 PM

My argument is based in pure statistics. I've proven over and over, to the point where I'm pretty sick of it, that the evidence shows clearly that voter fraud is much, much less of a disenfranchising activity than the mechanics of voting itself. It's not an arguable point, the two are so out of whack


Statistics huh?

The only "statistic" that matters here is this:
One vote for each citizen regardless of race.

If the law enforces that essential concept of democracy, then I'm all for it.

The law in this case doesn't discriminate. If an asian immigrant wants to vote, then they have to go through the due process the same as hispanic voters.

You aren't for it, because a law like that threatens progressive tactics.

The fact you argue for the voting rights of someone who may or may not be a citizen is tantamount to treason IMHO.

Hmmm... Wonder why half of the hispanic "voters" in Texas don't have an ID?

Probably because half of them are not American?

Why should Mexican and other Central and South American nationals be able to vote in an American election?


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The crux of the issue that CWG is side-stepping like the Macarena.

You have to provide a valid reason to enact a law, and there simply is not one


That is complete subjective non-sense. There are no requirements for any given statistical level of voter fraud to "matter" or "not matter" in any legal framework. Nothing but a sham spin tactic.

ONE case of voter fraud undermines an election. ONE. If you can't get your head around that, you're dumber than I thought.

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 12 March 2012 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:38 PM

I still dont see how the democrats think that a voter ID is such a bad thing.

All we want is a way for someone to prove that

1. They are American, and
2. That they can only vote once.

That is all that a voter ID is for.

The reasons that the Democrats dont want voter IDs is because they know that Hispanics vote (D) 90% of the time, and that 10s of millions of non-Americans (illegals) would definitely tip the scales in their favor.

What is so hard about proving that you are an American, and that you have only voted one time?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:41 PM

What is so hard about proving that you are an American, and that you have only voted one time?


It isn't hard if you are a legal citizen. You show them your ID, just like you were buying a M-rated game, or pack of smokes.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

Oh yeah I keep forgetting the one case of voter fraud justifies it. The process is completely screwed up because of it. That's why the Voting Rights Act was passed - if the process worked that would not have been needed.

Your argument is based on nothing. Nothing at all.
My argument is based in pure statistics. I've proven over and over, to the point where I'm pretty sick of it, that the evidence shows clearly that voter fraud is much, much less of a disenfranchising activity than the mechanics of voting itself. It's not an arguable point, the two are so out of whack.

You go on and feel good about yourself and your desire to make sure that people can't vote because they don't vote the way you want them to - I'll stick with the evidence, the statistics, and the law, since they all point my way.

Thanks for the ACORN reference, been what? A week?


YES is does fuging justify it. All that the law does is require the voter to ACTUALLY PROVE they are who they say they are. But, according to you....everyone should just take each voter's word for it. God knows they would not lie and try to cheat the system.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:30 PM

Show it or STFU. G5 already tried and failed miserably. You know why these laws are being enacted, be a fuging man and admit it instead of hiding behind whatever convenient excuse you can find.

You all are pathetic, making comment after comment about how more government and bureaucracy is making your lives so bad, yet happily jumping on the train when it will take away the rights of others for your benefit. And that's all this does. The fact that Texas cannot show any reasoning behind why a new law is needed is all you need to know.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

Show it or STFU. G5 already tried and failed miserably. You know why these laws are being enacted, be a fuging man and admit it instead of hiding behind whatever convenient excuse you can find.


Sounds like you're talking about yourself here.

You're saying we need to prove that this law is needed... yet, your whole argument is that the entire body of Republicans are racist and want to stifle hispanic voting because of their race... the burden of proof needed here is on you. Why 30% of the hispanic population doesn't have ID is the crux of the problem. If they get ID, the problem is solved. They have quite some time to do that before the next major election.

Election reform has been talked about since the 90's Mickey Mouse districts, and "Hanging Chads" of the 2000 election. So, now, a group of legislators is putting a law in place to reform voter integrity and eligibility, and you're pissing in your pants because it might affect illegal immigrants who aren't even eligible?

Are you even an American?

You all are pathetic, making comment after comment about how more government and bureaucracy is making your lives so bad, yet happily jumping on the train when it will take away the rights of others for your benefit. And that's all this does. The fact that Texas cannot show any reasoning behind why a new law is needed is all you need to know.


http://www.thegatewa...ight-be-racist/

I love one comment in the article I linked above:

Ummmm. I live in Texas, and when I go to Blockbuster I see no shortage of Hispanics renting movies there. Odd, considering that in order to open a Blockbuster account, I had to provide a photo I.D. AND A VALID CREDIT CARD. Is Blockbuster a racist group now? How about HEB that requires a photo I.D. when you pay for your groceries with a check? Or the fact that to apply for any social services in Texas, you must have a valid I.D.?

Good luck with that goal, Mr. Perez. Perhaps you can show all those poor Hispanic voters in Texas without some form of I.D., i.e. driver’s licenses, state welfare cards, etc. that can all be tracked through state agencies. Getting an I.D. is Texas is hard only if you are an illegal.

No voter fraud in Texas? Hell, you can go on YouTube and watch a woman tell how she mined votes for a Democrat in South Texas.


What I think is the most pathetic thing of this whole thread... is how you are assuming the 30% of registered hispanic voters without ID are U.S. citizens and had the right to vote in the first place.

The right to vote in the United States is not automatic for everyone born on Planet Earth. There's a reason we have naturalization laws. Would you want a bunch of hard-line conservatives to fly over here from England and vote in our elections?

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 12 March 2012 - 04:57 PM.



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