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Anyone following this?

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/justice/florida-teen-shot/index.html?hpt=ju_c2[/url]

I've been following it for a bit now. The whole situation is sad, and I'm shocked that the man is still out, charged with nothing.

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Would be nice to actually know the facts of what happened leading up to the shooting before people made judgements.

Everyone is assuming that the guy just shot the kid for no reason. May very well have been the case....but just as easily could have been a very different set of facts.
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He shot and killed an unarmed kid. He accosted the kid and they got in a fight so he shot him. He shouldn't own a firearm and he should be put in jail. 26 year old idiot he should never be a policeman.

doubtful this would have happened if this kid was white, I guess a black kid in a gated community was too suspicious.

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According to the article they have the whole thing on the 911 tape. I wouldn't assume racial bias or coverup just yet.

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[quote name='Furiouspumpkin']He shot and killed an unarmed kid. He accosted the kid and they got in a fight so he shot him. He shouldn't own a firearm and he should be put in jail. 26 year old idiot he should never be a policeman.

doubtful this would have happened if this kid was white, I guess a black kid in a gated community was too suspicious.[/QUOTE]

The only fact that you stated above was that the kid was unarmed. Everything else that you stated is complete conjecture and your opinion of what you THINK happened.

Like the other poster said, they have much of this on tape.....which, none of us (including you) have heard.

Again, you HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED other than a kid being shot.
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Something's definitely fishy here... on the surface it looks like a trigger happy guy that saw a black kid and took the law into his own hands and it went too far. I can't imagine why a grown man would need to shoot an unarmed 17 year old... so there's that... but they have not released all of the facts yet so...

Certainly if he shot the kid just because he thought he was doing something wrong, the guy should go to jail... even if the kid attacked him, still can't see shooting him... idk. The whole thing stinks to me...

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I don't know the details...but everyone understands that just because someone is actually found to be unarmed when the body's looked over doesn't mean the threat insinuating a firearm is present wasn't made....or some other sort of weapon.

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Yes he could have buried his gun before he died in order to make the shooter look better, or maybe the Black Panthers came in and started a giant undercover operation.

I love seeing the gears turning in the heads around here when things don't quite go right

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Don't get me wrong I don't know anything about this at all, but to read the defense mechanisms being put up here is pretty cool

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Send that mofo to prison. There is nothing that could of happened where he needed to shoot that kid.

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[quote name='MadHatter']The only fact that you stated above was that the kid was unarmed. Everything else that you stated is complete conjecture and your opinion of what you THINK happened.

Like the other poster said, they have much of this on tape.....which, none of us (including you) have heard.

Again, you HAVE NO fugING CLUE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED other than a kid being shot.[/QUOTE]

I don't feel like it's unreasonable to assume this Zimmerman fellow is in the wrong.

17 year unarmed kid is shot and killed, he was posing no threat to anybody. They guy who killed him could have waited for the police but he didn't. I'm not sure how much deadly force a 17 year old can display that would make me need to take his life.

My brother once saw two boys standing on his patio holding a revolver. He took out his cellphone and .45 pistol and waited for the police to come. The police got there, found out the gun wasn't loaded. So fortunately my brother didn't have to kill two 15 year old kids. If my brother can get through that situation without shooting somebody I don't see how Zimmerman can't.

Bad people do bad things some times. This guy is a danger to his community.

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[quote name='cookinwithgas']Don't get me wrong I don't know anything about this at all, but to read the defense mechanisms being put up here is pretty cool[/QUOTE]

seeing shades of racism in 2012 is frustrating for some people. I take comfort knowing it's an isolated incident.

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Kid was visiting father in gated community and left during half time of the NBA all star game to go to the store to get candy/snacks for he and his brother. Kid looked out of place so shooter guy decided to follow the kid. Kid doesn't like guy following him and guy and kid get into an argument which led to a fight, guy shoots kid....

This happened over a month ago and should people choose to do so, it's farily easy to research this case. Bottom line the guy got off because he claimed self defense but now this case is getting national media attention, so expect shooter guy to go to jail. Bottom line, this guy profiled this kid and became judge, jury and executioner....

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I did some research and initially the police refused to release the 911 tapes to the family. I think the family should have the right to listen the tape so they could try to establish for themselves what happened

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[quote name='Furiouspumpkin']I don't feel like it's unreasonable to assume this Zimmerman fellow is in the wrong.

17 year unarmed kid is shot and killed, he was posing no threat to anybody. They guy who killed him could have waited for the police but he didn't. I'm not sure how much deadly force a 17 year old can display that would make me need to take his life.

My brother once saw two boys standing on his patio holding a revolver. He took out his cellphone and .45 pistol and waited for the police to come. The police got there, found out the gun wasn't loaded. So fortunately my brother didn't have to kill two 15 year old kids. If my brother can get through that situation without shooting somebody I don't see how Zimmerman can't.

Bad people do bad things some times. This guy is a danger to his community.[/QUOTE]

So basically, you feel it is OK to assume that the guy was at fault....while not having ANY of the facts regarding the case?

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the kid did...you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the guy did....yet you feel it is OK to make an assumption that one did something wrong and the other didn't.

Ridiculous.

To make ANY TYPE of informed judgement about this situation, you need to have actual facts.....which from the article we have none.

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[quote name='sagaciouspanther']Kid was visiting father in gated community and left during half time of the NBA all star game to go to the store to get candy/snacks for he and his brother. Kid looked out of place so shooter guy decided to follow the kid. Kid doesn't like guy following him and guy and kid get into an argument which led to a fight, guy shoots kid....

This happened over a month ago and should people choose to do so, it's farily easy to research this case. Bottom line the guy got off because he claimed self defense but now this case is getting national media attention, so expect shooter guy to go to jail. Bottom line, this guy profiled this kid and became judge, jury and executioner....[/QUOTE]

I did research the situation. The issue with your assumption that he should go to jail is that we still do not know how the fight/arguement went. 17 yo starts beating the hell out of someone, I can see how shooting him was self defense.

Now, the guy probably did step over the line....and as such probably should be punished for it.

But, to make these assumptions from newspaper articles is quite ridiculous.

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[quote name='MadHatter']So basically, you feel it is OK to assume that the guy was at fault....while not having ANY of the facts regarding the case?

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the kid did...you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the guy did....yet you feel it is OK to make an assumption that one did something wrong and the other didn't.

Ridiculous.

To make ANY TYPE of informed judgement about this situation, you need to have actual facts.....which from the article we have none.[/QUOTE]

Hatter, if you are in a traffic accident and you are the guy who slams into the back of another car it doesn't matter what the excuse is. This is the same thing here. Unless you're some kind of police officer or something ;) you can't go around shooting unarmed people and it be OK

He had no right to stalk and kill the kid. If he had any suspicion he should have called 911.

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There was a thread on here about six months ago about a dude that saw a woman get mugged pretty violently and the dude followed the perp and contacted authorities. The perp made a threatening move towards the dude and he shot and killed him.

Same people were making the same generalizing accusations and comments without fully understanding the situation at hand. Police ended up finding that the dude acted completely within the law to protect himself. They would suggest most people don't follow bad guys, but that doesn't make the dude guilty of anything other than being a concerned citizen. It's how they act...and the person that's under suspicion that determines if the course of any action was warranted or not. People are saying the dude stalked him. Maybe he was simply following in order to provide the police an accurate location for him. Some people are saying the kid was being threatened prior by this dude, and felt like his life was in danger and didn't realize the level the dude would take it.

Will wait until details come out.

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He should have known the only gated communities a black kid belongs in is prison.
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[quote name='rippadonn']Hatter, if you are in a traffic accident and you are the guy who slams into the back of another car it doesn't matter what the excuse is. This is the same thing here. Unless you're some kind of police officer or something ;) you can't go around shooting unarmed people and it be OK

He had no right to stalk and kill the kid. If he had any suspicion he should have called 911.[/QUOTE]

Your analogy is nowhere near logical.

Once the 17 yo began arguing and fighting with the man, the situation changed. The man could have very well been defending himself from the 17 yo....and in that case the use of deadly force may have been justified.

I am not saying that the guy was correct in his actions.....I am saying that we do NOT have enough information to make that call.

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Am I the only one not ignoring the fact that the dispatcher explicitly told him not to confront the kid?

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Unless the kid came on the mans property, deadly force, or any force for that matter, was not justified. The guy should have let police handle it. His life was no in imminent danger due to a kid walking down the street.

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[quote name='natty']Am I the only one not ignoring the fact that the dispatcher explicitly told him not to confront the kid?[/QUOTE]

Dispatchers tell people not to do crap all the time even when it's completely within their rights to do so. Heck...how many times have we seen situations where police officers act incorrectly in situations that require quick decisions.
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maybe it is just me but there are very few circumstances (I admit some do exist, but I do not think there are many) where using a firearm to kill an unnarmed individual is justified...

Without knowing more, I can't say for sure whether this was justified but from the article it does not seem like it was. It seems as if this guy saw someone he thought was suspicious and would cause trouble, approached him, the kid didn't take kindly to it and ended up dead for it.

But... my opinion is that if you are in law enforcement, discharging a firearm should be a last resort and only in the most dire situation where your life is in imminent danger. I mean, the watchman had police coming already, his "attacker" had no weapons, how exactly was his life in imminent danger? If the kid was beating the poo out of the watchman and his last resort was to pull his weapon because the kid was beating the poo out of him, you think that would have been mentioned...

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[quote name='g5jamz']Dispatchers tell people not to do crap all the time even when it's completely within their rights to do so. Heck...how many times have we seen situations where police officers act incorrectly in situations that require quick decisions.[/QUOTE]

What does it matter if he had a right to do so?

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