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#511 SamTheRam

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

A lot of you jokers would convict Batman.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:34 PM

Do you think if Zimmerman was planning on killing this kid, would he really call 911 right before he did it and recorded the whole thing on the phone? It shows Zimmerman had no intention of killing Martin. Something went wrong during their conversation. Zimmerman remained on the line with a police the whole time.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:35 PM

I don't know a ton about gun laws, but do we know if Zimmerman had a carry/conceal permit? Is that separate from a "regular" gun permit?

Regardless, as I said previously, he followed Martin with a loaded gun. No violence would've occurred had Zimmerman not pursued him, therefore, Zimmerman provoked the violence and used deadly force. And as I said, if that is currently a loophole in Florida/federal laws, then this case needs to set a precedent.


yes, it has been reported that Zimmerman had a conceal/carry permit for the gun.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:36 PM

I don' think Zimmerman was security per say. He was neighborhood watch, and I think that just means he is suppose to report suspicious activity. But I wonder why a neighborhood watch would need to carry guns. I would think a radio or cellphone would be the only thing required.

That being said, I don't think there is much chance of him being convicted of murder. He might get a lesser conviction.

However, it does seem that the family might have grounds for one heck of a lawsuit.


I would imagine that he was carrying the gun for the same reason that many Americas carry a concealed weapon...for their own protection.

I guarantee you that the family will file a civil suit....and it is very likely that they would win. The burden of proof is substantially less in a civil suit. All they have to prove is that Zimmerman's actions lead to the death of Martin...not that he was guilty of a crime.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:39 PM

I don't know a ton about gun laws, but do we know if Zimmerman had a carry/conceal permit? Is that separate from a "regular" gun permit?

Regardless, as I said previously, he followed Martin with a loaded gun. No violence would've occurred had Zimmerman not pursued him, therefore, Zimmerman provoked the violence and used deadly force. And as I said, if that is currently a loophole in Florida/federal laws, then this case needs to set a precedent.


According to the law, following someone is not provoking the violence. We do not know what happened when the two came fase to face. Zimmerman could have very well provoked the altercation....just as Martin could have very well provoked the altercation. The act of following him was not the act of provocation.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:40 PM

yes, it has been reported that Zimmerman had a conceal/carry permit for the gun.


Then this may open a whole new can of worms considering the reports that he has at least three violent charges on his record.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

This sort of ignorant generalizations got an innocent man accused of bombing the Atlanta Olympics...just because he looked like Paul Blart and lived with his mom and psychologists were all about profiling.


Someone is listening to Hannity

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:49 PM

Someone is listening to Hannity


No...I'm at work and prefer 99.9 THE FAN

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:50 PM

The act of being followed does create the illusion that you're under a threat. If someone I didn't know or who looked suspicious was following me, I'd be ready to defend myself under the pretense that I felt threatened

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:52 PM

I would imagine that he was carrying the gun for the same reason that many Americas carry a concealed weapon...for their own protection.

I guarantee you that the family will file a civil suit....and it is very likely that they would win. The burden of proof is substantially less in a civil suit. All they have to prove is that Zimmerman's actions lead to the death of Martin...not that he was guilty of a crime.


Well, its a little more complex than that. They have to prove basically that he did something stupid that led to the death of the young man. And ignoring the advice of the 911 operator will probably qualify.

As far as carrying the gun, he may have had a concealed carry permit, but most neighborhood watch associations have rules. The one time I read the rules of one, it specifically prohibited members from carrying guns; radios and flashlights were the only thing allowed. If a person carried a gun, they were no longer allowed to be part of the watch. That still doesn't mean it was a crime, but its going to kill him in a civil suit, and maybe the neighborhood association as well.