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Will Leave The Hurneywagon If We Don't Make An Effort To Improve The Team This FA.

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I've said this a million times, and I'll say it again:

Hurney is a coaches GM. Outside of Fox's lame duck year, almost every draft he works with what the coach wants to do, and targets the players the coach feels will help the team.

Don't look at Hurney, look at Rivera. If we pick out free agents from other teams they will be because Ron likes what they could bring to the team. Hurney is not going to pull the trigger on players by himself. So, while I think our philosophy is still going to be "build through the draft" we will probably utilize more outside players than before because Rivera doesn't seem to be as fixated on "in-house" talent as Fox always seemed to be (although he does seem to be fixated on former Chargers ;) )

We'll be fine.

Rivera doesn't have anything to do with contract negotiations. We overpaid horribly to keep our core. You are rght about Hurney drafting with the coaches--RR picked Cam, not Hurney. Hurney picked Clausen and Armanti.

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I agree...Hurney is a coaches GM. He drafts who the coaches want to a large degree.

With one exception.....the 2010 draft was a pure Hurney draft. He had no coach to draft for. It brought us such studs as Clausen, Armanti

Hence my phrase "outside of Fox's lame duck year."

Again, Hurney is our GM for two reasons: he listens to the coach's needs; and he's a wizard with cap management. We could do far, far, far, far worse.

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We made a fairly big splash last year. A big FA splash doesn't determine the outcome of our season.

ie Eagles 2011, Panthers 2011

I wouldn't call Olsen, Shockey, Edwards a big splash.

the rest was keeping an existing roster intact.

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Rivera doesn't have anything to do with contract negotiations. We overpaid horribly to keep our core. You are rght about Hurney drafting with the coaches--RR picked Cam, not Hurney. Hurney picked Clausen and Armanti.

We retained great core players. The dollar amounts spent is really irrelevant, because we weren't targeting anyone else with that money, and we don't have the constant money squabbling headaches other teams go through because we pay our players (and then creatively restructure when necessary.)

People here get bitchy about the cap amounts and dollars and then are mystified when their yearly prognostications of doom and cap hell fail to materialize. It's as if they have no clue how the NFL actually operates. . .

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OP is completely discounting the youth on last year's team as if our own players cannot improve from last season. The Panthers having a full off-season with OTA's is enough to think we will have more time to gel before the season starts. As much as I would like for us to go out and get Vince Jackson or another top tier FA, I agree with the notion that (when healthy) we have a good competitive core and just need to compliment them with a few solid starters and not necessarily big name players.

Cam Newton with a full season under his belt learning Chud's system should be enough motivation to keep you on the "Hurneywagon." Need I remind you that Hurney hired both of these guys last season.

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OP is completely discounting the youth on last year's team as if our own players cannot improve from last season. The Panthers having a full off-season with OTA's is enough to think we will have more time to gel before the season starts. As much as I would like for us to go out and get Vince Jackson or another top tier FA, I agree with the notion that (when healthy) we have a good competitive core and just need to compliment them with a few solid starters and not necessarily big name players.

Cam Newton with a full season under his belt learning Chud's system should be enough motivation to keep you on the "Hurneywagon." Need I remind you that Hurney hired both of these guys last season.

You're acting as if it would be a good idea to pin our season on the likes of Sione Fua and Captain Munnerlyn.

Nobody has suggested signing Vincent Jackson in this thread.

Cam Newton was an exception to the rule and pretending as if every rookie will make his impact is just delusional.

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With most of our team injured last year, having them all back 100% will be like having an active free agency offseason.

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Some folks are always pissed simply because the team isn't molded into their vision of what the team should look like.

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With most of our team injured last year, having them all back 100% will be like having an active free agency offseason.

Yes, I really look forward to getting a game or so out of Jeff Otah.

You didn't read either.

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I think that Hurney is horribly inept, but not for the same reasons as you pointed out.

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You're acting as if it would be a good idea to pin our season on the likes of Sione Fua and Captain Munnerlyn.

Nobody has suggested signing Vincent Jackson in this thread.

Cam Newton was an exception to the rule and pretending as if every rookie will make his impact is just delusional.

Every team has glaring holes. The Giants won the Super Bowl with a secondary that was about as bad as ours, and their linebackers were only marginally better (they had an all-world D-line, of course.)

Spending tons of cap in a hope to cover up our deficiencies on paper is exactly why the Eagles spent a huge amount of cash on All-Pro corners and ended up with an even worse defense.

I'm not against adding free agents that can help, but I am against going and getting people just because we think we have to. That's what the draft, experience, coaching and trades are for.

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Every team has glaring holes. The Giants won the Super Bowl with a secondary that was about as bad as ours, and their linebackers were only marginally better (they had an all-world D-line, of course.)

You said it yourself. The Giants have the best DL in football. We don't, and I assume you don't believe we will.

Spending tons of cap in a hope to cover up our deficiencies on paper is exactly why the Eagles spent a huge amount of cash on All-Pro corners and ended up with an even worse defense.

The Eagles threw a bunch of players from various systems and expected it to work in a shortened offseason with little practice time.

Not only am I not asking the team to do that, the Eagles will have one of the best Secondaries in football this year.

I'm not against adding free agents that can help, but I am against going and getting people just because we think we have to. That's what the draft, experience, coaching and trades are for.

We aren't good enough to stand pat while other teams get better.

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