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Will Leave The Hurneywagon If We Don't Make An Effort To Improve The Team This FA.


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#31 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:36 PM

How do you expect to make moves in free agency if you can barely make the cap? Someone derail this thread


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#32 DJ Insicion

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:35 PM

Hurney should have been fired along with John Fox. He's garbage

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

lol i love these threads

we don't have cap room, but yes, hurney is a complete idiot if we don't sign all the free agents ever

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:45 PM

What would leaving a hurney bandwagon even consist of? Let me guess, you, and several others, will start several posts about how he should fired immediately if we start 1-3 and declare him a genius if we start 3-1. Seriously, offseason stuff is kind of just a distraction until the games start up. The giants had a terrible offseason last year.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:48 PM

Now this is just an opinion "piece" so if you don't agree, don't go getting your panties in a bunch, but I was just sitting here thinking about this and thought I'd share.


As I tried to state in the title, but had to shorten thanks to the character limit-I will forever leave the Hurney bandwagon if we don't make a significant effort to improve the team this free agency period.

The reason is this:

We are so close to being where we want to be as a team-but-and I say this with the expectation that Hurney isn't going to do anything of any worth this FA period-Hurney is too narrow minded to finish the job.

He looks at the team and says to himself- "Self, we had a pretty good team last year had we not been decimated by injuries, so I really don't see the need to improve the team. Throw in a decent draft pick (singular) and we'll be set to go!"

But let's step back and look at the league as a whole. What if Washington lands V-Jax to pair with RG3? What if Chicago lands the greatest defensive prospect to hit the market since Reggie White and forms the greatest DE tandem of all time? What if other teams improve while we stand pat (and yes, we happen to play both of those teams this year)?

If there's one fact of life that has seemed to elude this organization over the years, it's this:

If you aren't progressing, you're regressing.

So what happens if all those other NFC teams progress, while we sit? What happens if we put all our chips in on the hopes that an average 34 year old DT coming off an entire season on the bench, a LB coming off 3 major knee injuries, and an OT who hasn't been able to stay healthy since this team was contending for the number one record in the NFC? (and possibly before)

Next season isn't so bright and shiny then, is it? Is Hurney really content to say:

"Weellp, if that's the case it looks like we're have to spend another year improving our draft picks!"

Really? Again? When we're this close? How long is this gonna go on? Will it takes five years for our draft picks to fill all our needs and then, hopefully, be good players? Then what will we have to look at? Both RB's could be gone. Steve Smith will be 37 and you haven't been able to find a decent receiver during your entire tenure here-at what point is it okay to admit to ourselves that it's okay to sign good players that weren't "born" here?

When building a team, to build long-term success, you have to balance the "now" (free agents) with "future." (draft picks)

Some teams lean too much towards free agents (the Skins of yesteryear) and some team rely too heavily on draft picks. (the Panthers )

Some teams, most notably the Pats, have found the perfect balance of the two. Either way, we know that you can't have success and sustain it long-term without a nice combination of both.

Now, am I asking for Mario Williams? No, of course not. I understand that when discussing free agents, you have to take into account financial feasibility. But I do expect without expecting, that this team make a serious effort to address needs from the previous season this FA by bringing in talented, veteran players that have built a reputation of being good players in this league. Not an UDFA, two year pro, up-and comer out Mississippi Valley State that we really liked coming out, but just a handful of decent players, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the team to do so yearly-but especially this year, when we are this close to making a run.


I guess the bottom line is that, if we don't make a serious effort to improve the team via FA, and it costs us what is a very, very promising season this year, I just wouldn't be able to forgive Hurney, in spite of the fact that I like the guy.

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Did you really expect us to sign VJ, Brandon Marshall, or Marion Williams?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

Did you really expect us to sign VJ, Brandon Marshall, or Marion Williams?


Obviously.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:51 PM

I like how Hurney gets the blame, but the fact is JR isn't opening the checkbook. As long as he sells ticket and the team is competitive, he'll continue to sell tickets. This is happening with every small market team everywhere in all sports. The Jags flat out won't spend money b/c they don't have. Buffalo doesn't open the checkbook, and their coach is trying to convince their fan base they're going to win the division. Cleveland is the same, they spend no money to win, but for some reason all their games sell out. Why not cash in on that?

#38 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:51 PM

Did you really expect us to sign VJ, Brandon Marshall, or Marion Williams?


:lol: God you people are illiterate.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

I like how Hurney gets the blame, but the fact is JR isn't opening the checkbook. As long as he sells ticket and the team is competitive, he'll continue to sell tickets. This is happening with every small market team everywhere in all sports. The Jags flat out won't spend money b/c they don't have. Buffalo doesn't open the checkbook, and their coach is trying to convince their fan base they're going to win the division. Cleveland is the same, they spend no money to win, but for some reason all their games sell out. Why not cash in on that?


Why are fans so fuging stupid? We can only spend up to the cap dude, this isn't fuging MLB or some poo. Goddamnit people piss me off.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:54 PM

It's not like the Panthers aren't consistently sitting around 97% of the cap number or anything.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:57 PM

The thing is that this organization wants to be run like the Steelers. The problem is that the Steelers hit homeruns year after year after year in the draft in rounds 1-5. They get starters or guys that will be starters every single year so they end up spending zero when trying to acquire FAs. They get stop-gap players for their ST unit and that's about it. Hurney on the other hand trades away our draft picks to move up because he sucks at evaluating late-round talent so the product is a two-fold bust:

1) We end up getting one less pick because we trade up
2) The players we trade up for (Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards) end up being busts so it just compounds the mistake.

He isn't as good as Colbert at drafting players so he needs to convince Richardson that we might need to pick up one or two FAs that can fills some needs. Doesn't have to be a Mario Williams type player...but someone like John Abraham as a situational pass rusher for a lower-tier contract or Ben Grubbs to replace Wharton would be nice.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:59 PM

I like how Hurney gets the blame, but the fact is JR isn't opening the checkbook. As long as he sells ticket and the team is competitive, he'll continue to sell tickets. This is happening with every small market team everywhere in all sports. The Jags flat out won't spend money b/c they don't have. Buffalo doesn't open the checkbook, and their coach is trying to convince their fan base they're going to win the division. Cleveland is the same, they spend no money to win, but for some reason all their games sell out. Why not cash in on that?


What are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing?

How did we magically get so close to the salary cap limit if Richardson isn't opening his wallet and doling out the dollars?

Idiot.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:05 PM

:lol: God you people are illiterate.


We are barely a few hours into free agency and you get pissy because we aren't signing big market players. Of course you say that's not what your asking for but then you site the Redskins RG III, Brandon Marshall, Mario Williams.

I'm sure the signing the all world Pierre Garcon is really going to make the Redskins a superbowl contender.

This team is in the best shape it has been in almost 10 years. Even with our questions marks. None of the players you mention progress our franchise or remotely set us up well in the future. This isn't a lock out off season for us, we are going to sign some people. There is no reason not to expect us to make moves.

Edited by OneBadassCat, 13 March 2012 - 06:08 PM.


#44 mav1234

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

We have quite a few more holes than a couple high priced free agent pickups will fill. I would love for us to make some movement and pick up some quality players, but I also expect us to wait until a lot of the craziness dies down, get a couple of quality veterans, and go in planning to build around the draft.

I realize many around here think that next year is our Superbowl year, but I think that this organization is still in "Build for the future" mode - it is not that it is *rebuilding* as much as that it is trying to set something up that will compete for the next decade. It is hard to do that in free agency, really.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:13 PM

also, while it may not have been free agency, restructuring Davis' contract was a huge and necessary move that they got done today, so meh.


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