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Will Leave The Hurneywagon If We Don't Make An Effort To Improve The Team This FA.


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#61 Cracka McNasty

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:43 PM

half you people in this thread really didn't read a damn word he said did you?

always a dick measuring contest on the internet i swear...

I understand what you are getting at OP. You don't want VJax, or Mario, or any elite talent like that, you just want guys who are considered marginally better than Munnerlyn, and Fua, and NaNee, etc., the kind of guys we signed for our playoff run in 03.

#62 Frizzy350

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:43 PM

I'm ignoring your posts because you don't know how to spell.


just because u post with perfect punctuation and grammar doesn't make you any less of an idiot; it just makes u a slightly more legible idiot.

i know how to spell fine and my posts are plenty easy to read. keep them excuses coming bro, u seem like a finely educated individual.

#63 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:49 PM

When, besides the uncapped year where we dumped everybody, have we not signed free agents to help the team. We'll go it again this year.


We haven't made any significant outside contributions via FA in a very, very long. We'll make the occasional Ron Edwards stop-gap move, but this team hasn't brought in a proven, mid-career, talented FA since like Mike Wahle.

We lack the discipline to say "You know what? Maybe these players aren't cutting it even though we drafted them. We've got a few needs, let's take a look at addressing them via FA. Let's find some starters."

Nobody has said anything about Mario Williams, well except Matthias but he's widely regarded as the Huddle's village idiot so I don't care what he says.

What would be nice is if we altered our philosophy to include FA's as a part of the way we build our team rather than stubbornly hoping our "young" (aka not good) draft picks from year's passed will magically turn it around.

Thats what I want Hurney to show me he is capable of doing this offseason, and if he can't, and it ends up destroying a promising season, he'll have only himself to blame.

#64 DJ Insicion

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:52 PM

Thats what I want Hurney to show me he is capable of doing this offseason, and if he can't, and it ends up destroying a promising season, he'll have only himself to blame.



It has takin you this long to come to that conclusion. He has had years do this.

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#65 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:52 PM

half you people in this thread really didn't read a damn word he said did you?

always a dick measuring contest on the internet i swear...

I understand what you are getting at OP. You don't want VJax, or Mario, or any elite talent like that, you just want guys who are considered marginally better than Munnerlyn, and Fua, and NaNee, etc., the kind of guys we signed for our playoff run in 03.



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#66 Snake

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

The thing is that this organization wants to be run like the Steelers. The problem is that the Steelers hit homeruns year after year after year in the draft in rounds 1-5. They get starters or guys that will be starters every single year so they end up spending zero when trying to acquire FAs. They get stop-gap players for their ST unit and that's about it. Hurney on the other hand trades away our draft picks to move up because he sucks at evaluating late-round talent so the product is a two-fold bust:

1) We end up getting one less pick because we trade up
2) The players we trade up for (Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards) end up being busts so it just compounds the mistake.

He isn't as good as Colbert at drafting players so he needs to convince Richardson that we might need to pick up one or two FAs that can fills some needs. Doesn't have to be a Mario Williams type player...but someone like John Abraham as a situational pass rusher for a lower-tier contract or Ben Grubbs to replace Wharton would be nice.


Actually its more about Dick LeBeau and how he uses players. The Steelers before major coaching changes to the offense sucked and never scored many points. They have always leaned on there defense and I hope Rivera can get our defense to Steelers levels.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

half you people in this thread really didn't read a damn word he said did you?

always a dick measuring contest on the internet i swear...

I understand what you are getting at OP. You don't want VJax, or Mario, or any elite talent like that, you just want guys who are considered marginally better than Munnerlyn, and Fua, and NaNee, etc., the kind of guys we signed for our playoff run in 03.


I read the post, but thought it was a new one and didn't look at the time of the OP. My fault.

We haven't made any significant outside contributions via FA in a very, very long. We'll make the occasional Ron Edwards stop-gap move, but this team hasn't brought in a proven, mid-career, talented FA since like Mike Wahle.

We lack the discipline to say "You know what? Maybe these players aren't cutting it even though we drafted them. We've got a few needs, let's take a look at addressing them via FA. Let's find some starters."

Nobody has said anything about Mario Williams, well except Matthias but he's widely regarded as the Huddle's village idiot so I don't care what he says.

What would be nice is if we altered our philosophy to include FA's as a part of the way we build our team rather than stubbornly hoping our "young" (aka not good) draft picks from year's passed will magically turn it around.

Thats what I want Hurney to show me he is capable of doing this offseason, and if he can't, and it ends up destroying a promising season, he'll have only himself to blame.


Mike Wahle and Ken Lucas weren't mid tier free agents though. I believe they were the top guard/tackle (I think their was another good guard, but at least the second best one) and corner that year. Mid-tier guys are players like Stephen Davis, Ron Edwards, Ricky Proehl, Omar Gaither, etc.

I would like us to sign more premium guys but there is nobody out there now excepted dude's making stupid money (Garcon, Williams, Jackson) and then a lot of Ron Edward type guys that have their warts but may contribute.

Would I love us to sign a Ben Grubbs to a reasonable deal? Sure, but I'm not even sure that can happen. I wouldn't put it all on one offseason and say "Bring in amazing signings or you suck" because it might just be a bad year.

#68 Frizzy350

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:05 PM

We haven't made any significant outside contributions via FA in a very, very long. We'll make the occasional Ron Edwards stop-gap move, but this team hasn't brought in a proven, mid-career, talented FA since like Mike Wahle.

We lack the discipline to say "You know what? Maybe these players aren't cutting it even though we drafted them. We've got a few needs, let's take a look at addressing them via FA. Let's find some starters."

Nobody has said anything about Mario Williams, well except Matthias but he's widely regarded as the Huddle's village idiot so I don't care what he says.

What would be nice is if we altered our philosophy to include FA's as a part of the way we build our team rather than stubbornly hoping our "young" (aka not good) draft picks from year's passed will magically turn it around.

Thats what I want Hurney to show me he is capable of doing this offseason, and if he can't, and it ends up destroying a promising season, he'll have only himself to blame.


lately, less and less of those types of players are available in free agency. since they can be retained at a nominal cost, most teams are completely fine extending their contracts, signing them new contracts, or assigning them 1st - 2nd round tenders. the ones that do hit free agency are the ones demanding to be strictly overpaid. perfect example: vincent jackson. he is a good WR, but he is definitely not a top 5 WR and possibly not even a top 10 WR. he is, however, going to be handed a top flight WR contract (possibly 10+ million a year).

we tried this tactic, with mike wahle and with ken lucas, and both were pretty good for a few years. in the end tho we only got maybe 2 years of solid production out of the two.

in a way we did this with greg olsen last year. we will find out down the road if it paid off. essentially we brought in a proven starter in the middle of his career and so far it looks to have been a dandy move (sure it was a trade rather than FA pick up).

how can u claim that hurney does not attempt to bring these type of players in when there is significant evidence he has in the past?

#69 DJ Insicion

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM

You have to keep in mind that we can rarely AFFORD top tier/mind range FA because Marty Hurney is such a genius with the CAP......

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:10 PM

You have to keep in mind that we can rarely AFFORD top tier/mind range FA because Marty Hurney is such a genius with the CAP......


well we would have a ton more cap room if we didn't have to pay players like charles johnson, steve smith, jordan gross, chris gamble and jon beason.

of course then we'd have an entirely set of needs.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:12 PM

all overpaid IMO when all their contracts were negotiated

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:14 PM

all overpaid IMO when all their contracts were negotiated


Ok, then they wouldn't be here and somebody else would have paid them. But we would have precious cap room. Just like the Bobcats.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:17 PM

Will Leave The Hurneywagon If We Don't Make An Effort To Improve The Team This FA.



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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:19 PM

all overpaid IMO when all their contracts were negotiated


steve smith? getting paid for the being the best receiver in the game? pretty sure he deserved it.

beason is prolly the 2nd best ILB in the game right now, I'd say he deserves it.

if we didn't pay CJ then someone else would have and we would have NOTHING on the dline.

gamble has always had the talent of what we paid him, Foxy's scheme just didn't work with him as effectively. gamble is a man to man cover guy (a la revis island) and just showed us why we pay him big bucks.

there are 31 other teams in the NFL that would be ecstatic to have players like this on their team and would easily match our offer, or pay more.

the only true instance of overpaying i saw over the last few years would probably be deangelo. i think we intentionally overpaid him to make up for his '08 season and to help out cam.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:19 PM

They said they weren't going to big players in free agency. They normally are not, as it is not part of the teams plan, from the owner on down.

Sometimes it seems like most of the biggest whiners here were in grade school in the 90s. Back then, we played a lot in FA, and got burned. Richardson doesn't like it, and that attitude is reflected throughout the organization.


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