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Will Leave The Hurneywagon If We Don't Make An Effort To Improve The Team This FA.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:45 PM

Sometimes it seems like most of the biggest whiners here were in grade school in the 90s. Back then, we played a lot in FA, and got burned. Richardson doesn't like it, and that attitude is reflected throughout the organization.


This is due to the inability of the FO to use FA accurately and resourcefully.

Plenty of teams get great deals in FA. Hurney sucks at it plain and simple. He has weaknesses. Can't draft a WR or DT. He needs to realize this and spend more time trying to get a good FA deal. As we saw last year there was PLENTY that were a good deal and didn't turn to poo.

Don't blame using FA as the bad aspect here, it's only bad if you can't bring in the right players which the Panthers had trouble with.

I am not whining at anything, for me the proof is in the pudding. I hate cliches but it's true. If Hurney formula was working why have we not been able to win with it? When we were a force several years ago FA helped up quite a bit and we haven't utilized it since.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

half you people in this thread really didn't read a damn word he said did you?

always a dick measuring contest on the internet i swear...

I understand what you are getting at OP. You don't want VJax, or Mario, or any elite talent like that, you just want guys who are considered marginally better than Munnerlyn, and Fua, and NaNee, etc., the kind of guys we signed for our playoff run in 03.


Which is what Hurney tries to do.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:55 PM

the problem i have with hurney's philosophy is that if you dont hit on almost all your draft picks, you can really screw yourself.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:17 PM

I agree...Hurney is a coaches GM. He drafts who the coaches want to a large degree.

With one exception.....the 2010 draft was a pure Hurney draft. He had no coach to draft for. It brought us such studs as Clausen, Armanti


It also brought us LaFell, Gettis, Hardy, and some depth in Stanford and Pugh. You got to take the good with the bad.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:19 PM

i also have the strange feeling that people think everything will be great because we have cam and the old "year of experience under their belt and full offseason and otas".
Cam is great but he not quite at the level where he can mask all of our deficiences.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:50 PM

When was the last time we spend a ton of money for a premier player and they had an all=pro season? I can't remember 1 ever. When was the last time we paid big bucks for a very good player and they had an All-pro season. Mike Wahle in 2005??? When was the last time we had an All-pro player who we drafted and developed make the pro-bowl- Newton, Smith, Gross, Kalil in 2011.

The draft always will be the best way to go to find your stars and starters. What is free agency for? Finding guys who are cheap, coming back from injury, upcoming stars not yet discovered, etc who can fill roles and help the team. This is one area where Hurney does a very good job. Just last year he gets Nannee who helps the receivers learn the scheme, they bring in Kearse and Shirley who shore up the middle when the rookies are overwhelmed and Edwards go down prematurely. When Davis and Beason go down unexpectedly, Hurney brings in Gaither, Senn, WIlliams, Phillips to fill in. Not exactly stars but what can you expect at that point.

He goes out and brings in Shockey and trades for Olsen to give Newton one of the best tight end attacks in the NFC last year.

Honestly I understand the whining if you look for the FA big splash and haven't follwed the Panthers since 1995. But if you have been around for the whole ride, you have seen the big splashes and know they don't pan out for us. You know some of our best FAs were guys like Stephen Davis who was coming back from injury and Delhomme who was really a nobody before he came here. You know that role players are just as important as stars and realize that you need more journeymen and blue collar guys who are cheap than you do big splash free agents. You know that the Ricky Proehls are every bit as important as the big name Wes Welkers but can be had more reasonably.

You also know that Hurney is one of the best going through the scrap pile looking for hidden gems, finding value in the 6th and 7th rounds of the draft. So you just sit back and watch what happens. Like watching a football game, it isn't the guys who are making noise at the beginning of the game that matters, but the guys who are making noise at the end. The same applies to the draft especially if you don't have 30 million in cap space.

There are going to be almost 600 free agents available. Why lock guys up day 1 and overpaying when there will be literally hundreds of guys willing to sign for cheap just to have the opportunity to play this year. Hence the reason we didn't sign any of our UFAs or tender Schwartz.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:55 PM

What p55 said. To add to what p55 said, Buckner always used to say on his radio show here in Charlotte that the best free agents are the guys who have a chip on their shoulder or have something to prove.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:06 PM

Only player I can think of we signed through FA, no trades that came in had a significant impact on defense was Lucas and Buckner. Its been several moves on offense though

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:14 PM

It's not like the Panthers aren't consistently sitting around 97% of the cap number or anything.


You have to keep in mind that we can rarely AFFORD top tier/mid range FA because Marty Hurney is such a genius with the CAP......



No question about what is spent.
But 2-14 followed by 6-10 you have to wonder what you're spending your money on and why.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:18 PM

Only player I can think of we signed through FA, no trades that came in had a significant impact on defense was Lucas and Buckner. Its been several moves on offense though



For most its probably more about moves the Panthers dont make. Looking at the moves the Aints made during their Super Bowl run (Brees, Harper, etc) and even a Darren Sproles pickup last year tends to piss Panther fans off. :D

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

No question about what is spent.
But 2-14 followed by 6-10 you have to wonder what you're spending your money on and why.


Exactly.


Hurney should've been fired now Cam Newton has saved his job for years unfortunately.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

No question about what is spent.
But 2-14 followed by 6-10 you have to wonder what you're spending your money on and why.

There were lots of reasons for the 2-14 record, that wasn't indicative of the talent on this team. Last year we were decimated with injuries and hurt by the lockout so I don't know if the 6-10 record is really indicative either. Lets see what happens this year. If we suck again, that could be problematic. Buut if we make the playoffs or come close, it just suggests that the overall strategy is bringing results. Or supports the old adage that a franchise quarterback is the most important component to building a playoff contender.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:34 PM

There were lots of reasons for the 2-14 record, that wasn't indicative of the talent on this team. Last year we were decimated with injuries and hurt by the lockout so I don't know if the 6-10 record is really indicative either. Lets see what happens this year. If we suck again, that could be problematic. Buut if we make the playoffs or come close, it just suggests that the overall strategy is bringing results. Or supports the old adage that a franchise quarterback is the most important component to building a playoff contender.


FAIL if we don't make playoff next year IMO

I'm also sick of everybody sayin we were decimated by injuries. So does alot of teams and thats were you see good GM's puttin in work with the depth you have on your team. The depth we have on this team right now is horrific.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:46 PM

FAIL if we don't make playoff next year IMO

I'm also sick of everybody sayin we were decimated by injuries. So does alot of teams and thats were you see good GM's puttin in work with the depth you have on your team. The depth we have on this team right now is horrific.


There's a difference in other teams being injured, and having a team record for players on IR in one season.

We were plagued by injuries, most definitely. And we did have a shortened off-season.

This year our sights should most definitely been set on the playoffs, though, I agree.


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