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#151 pantherclaw

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:00 PM

Wrs can play until they're 35

lol

Great rebuttle.

Lol

#152 panthers55

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:01 PM

bringing up their involvement in personnel decisions is what i was getting at


Oh.........................













then nevermind...................................

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:01 PM

I keep reading that the most popular opinion against williams and his contract, is he share the load.

What a weak ass soap box to stand on.

Receivers get paid more for less touches per game, and they aren't involved in qb protection as part of their job description.

Ya pay play makers. D wlll is a play maker. Ya pay him regardless if he touches the ball 30 times a game, or zero, cause he's on injured reserve.

Ya can't pay quality play makers based on how many touches they get a game.


1. apples/oranges

2. you're pantherclaw and you can't make a good point to save your life

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

Oh.........................
then nevermind...................................

:)


This is why I made an effort not to mention Hurney specifically in this thread

the "core" players thing originates with Richardson

this is much different than what the prevailing mentality used to argue Richardson as a good owner in that he is or was a "hands-off" owner, much unlike __insert_interloping_owner_of_bad_team.

Edited by Raging Bull, 15 March 2012 - 11:07 PM.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:15 AM

you bitches watch our top five offense at all last year? i'm perfectly happy paying the playmakers on it. d-will is a playmaker.

defense is fixable. rivera's trimming leftover fat from the fox era and loading the team with new talent that fits his schemes and overall philosophy.

pop open a box of tampons and just enjoy the ride. there's nothing else you can do anyway.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:18 AM

you bitches watch our top five offense at all last year? i'm perfectly happy paying the playmakers on it. d-will is a playmaker.

defense is fixable. rivera's trimming leftover fat from the fox era and loading the team with new talent that fits his schemes and overall philosophy.

pop open a box of tampons and just enjoy the ride. there's nothing else you can do anyway.


That top offense was because of Cam and CHUD. D-will is replaceable, and not an elite RB anymore. This is gonna be fun stuck with a 29 year old RB, while our 25 year old RB gets a good contract elsewhere.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:31 AM

That top offense was because of Cam and CHUD. D-will is replaceable, and not an elite RB anymore. This is gonna be fun stuck with a 29 year old RB, while our 25 year old RB gets a good contract elsewhere.


wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

that top offense was because defenses had to gameplan for cam's passing ability and cam's running ability.

and williams' running ability.

and stewart's running ability.

and the panthers' ability to keep both of them fresh enough to bust a touchdown on any given snap.

and their availability in the option plays.



there is no logical way to discredit deangelo williams's part in that. having williams in the backfield as a constant threat kept teams honest try to stop cam's running, but kept them honest against the volatile run, opening up the passing game.

how is it that chudz is smart enough to run a top-five offense, arguably the most versatile and creative one we've ever seen, but everyone thinks he isn't smart enough to decide what players he wants to run it?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:34 AM

Is this a Mario Williams thread or a Carl Nicks thread?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:35 AM

Ya pay him regardless if he touches the ball 30 times a game, or zero, cause he's on injured reserve.


And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a D-Will homer.




also


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:47 AM

That top offense was because of Cam and CHUD. D-will is replaceable, and not an elite RB anymore. This is gonna be fun stuck with a 29 year old RB, while our 25 year old RB gets a good contract elsewhere.


wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

that top offense was because defenses had to gameplan for cam's passing ability and cam's running ability.

and williams' running ability.

and stewart's running ability.

and the panthers' ability to keep both of them fresh enough to bust a touchdown on any given snap.

and their availability in the option plays.



there is no logical way to discredit deangelo williams's part in that. having williams in the backfield as a constant threat kept teams honest try to stop cam's running, but kept them honest against the volatile run, opening up the passing game.

how is it that chudz is smart enough to run a top-five offense, arguably the most versatile and creative one we've ever seen, but everyone thinks he isn't smart enough to decide what players he wants to run it?


Who said Chud gave the OK to keep dwill? Of course he wouldn't object to it, JR decided that he was gonna overpay for 28 old RB. Chud does NOT have the final okay for personnel decisions that is Hurney's job. And you're telling me J-stew wouldn't have teams attention as well?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:48 AM

Also, Chud coached a top offense WITHOUT a running attack in Cleveland.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:50 AM

i'll concede your point there - but only on the grounds that none of us truly know the dynamic between rivera, chudz, and hurney.

however, we have to assume that they all have some sort of collective agreement where each guys has his own level of input. it's unfair to assume that chudz, as the guy who's masterminding the plays, has no say in what types of personnel he'd like to fulfill roles he's creating in the playbooks.

hurney signs off on ideas, i'm sure.

my point is, whoever's the one actually pulling the trigger is only pulling it officially. there's a much bigger team of guys behind them helping to make these decisions. hurney, or rivera, or chudz, are not saying "screw you guys i want THIS player and even though it doesn't fit our vision or any of your opinions we're going to get him."

so what i am saying is if you're going to criticize hurney for the d-will decision, for choosing him as our expensive free agent, then you have to criticize the other decision-makers on the team accordingly. and i think it takes an incredible amount of hubris for any poster with zero inside information or personal experience in the national football league to be making those sorts of brazen accusations.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:37 AM

So you figure we can just cut Williams and not have any effect on the cap?


of course it would

all I am saying if it comes down to it....Williams would be cut to keep Stewart. Wouldn't be the first time Carolina had to take a hit. Ideally, they are hoping it doesn't come to that...

but Stewart refusing to negoatiate now means he is looking to cash in after this year and you can't blame him.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

you bitches watch our top five offense at all last year? i'm perfectly happy paying the playmakers on it. d-will is a playmaker.

defense is fixable. rivera's trimming leftover fat from the fox era and loading the team with new talent that fits his schemes and overall philosophy.

pop open a box of tampons and just enjoy the ride. there's nothing else you can do anyway.


More of a top 10 really...but Williams wasn't really a key cog in it working. Stewart was.

Defense is fixable. Fixing it cost money and talent. You can't be loaded every where....having too much invested at a weakening position will cost you elsewhere. It costs us in our ability to build other spots.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:10 AM

More of a top 10 really...but Williams wasn't really a key cog in it working. Stewart was.

Defense is fixable. Fixing it cost money and talent. You can't be loaded every where....having too much invested at a weakening position will cost you elsewhere. It costs us in our ability to build other spots.


The running game accounted for 1/3 of our offensive yards and 2/3rds of our points at a cost of roughly 14 million which is about 1/8th of the cap. The money on offense last year was spent on the O-linemen which accounted for over 25 million and would be there if we passed or ran. We spent close to the same on the defense as we did the offense so the fact they struggled was not because there was no money spent on that side of the ball.

Edited by panthers55, 16 March 2012 - 09:13 AM.



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