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#121 thefuzz

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:24 PM

Not saying he will be VW, or Ngata, but that's who he reminds me of.

I'm not saying draft him, as I have never talked to the dude. But if he wants it, he can be a good NFL player as he has the skill set to do so.

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment, either that or the CB position.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

Not saying he will be VW, or Ngata, but that's who he reminds me of.

I'm not saying draft him, as I have never talked to the dude. But if he wants it, he can be a good NFL player as he has the skill set to do so.

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment, either that or the CB position.


CB is most glaring because we dont really have a CB with size on the team. While DT was horrible last year it was because the Rookies were taking there lumps. You put another Rookie in this year and the same will happen. Its just the learning curve of the NFL. If we want to see improved DT play we need to pick up a FA like Garey and let our other two DTs develop.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

But if it doesn't translate on the field it is a pretty mute point. Goes back to lots of physically impressive guys don't make
the best players.

Poe is the polar opposite of Brown and I personally view that as a negative. Poe had all the physical tool (outside of his alligator size midget arms he had all the tools) and still was great against weak comp.

Name a first round pick out of a weak conf that didn't dominate with the opportunity.....but worked out as a pro.


Good lord, where to start?

Just last year, Jason Pierre Paul.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:31 PM

CB is most glaring because we dont really have a CB with size on the team. While DT was horrible last year it was because the Rookies were taking there lumps. You put another Rookie in this year and the same will happen. Its just the learning curve of the NFL. If we want to see improved DT play we need to pick up a FA like Garey and let our other two DTs develop.


Not disagreeing about which is more of a need, I think it can be argued both ways.

That said, we do have 1 really really good CB in Gamble. We have 0 decent DT's combined.

Learning curve for DT is steep, not denying that, but you also have to have crazy talent and size to be good/great at that position, and I'm not sure that any of our DT's are elite athletes.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:34 PM

Good lord, where to start?

Just last year, Jason Pierre Paul.


Add our very own Charles Johnson to the list as well....totally forgot about him.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:46 PM

And let's be honest, DT is our most glaring need at the moment,


Coach Rivera begs to differ......

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:50 PM

Claiborne probably won't be there at 9. He's the only CB worth it at 9. Brockers could go at #6 or #7 because the Rams love him and the Patriots want to trade up for him (worthless DT huh?).

Coples I'd be OK with if the coaches hold a branding iron to his a*s and make him be the player he should be a Mario Williams type.

If there is no Claiborne, Brockers or Coples I hope they do their homework on Poe. Poe could be that guy with NFL coaching no doubt.

DT is of paramount need just ask Beason or Davis

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:16 PM

JJP didn't step on a football field until he was a junior in high school.

College career
Freshman - 14 sacks
Soph - 10.5 sacks
USF - 6.5 sacks

He was named first team all Big East, First Team Little America, First Team WSC.....he was raw and leaning but still dominated at every stage in college career and recieved the top honors every year.

So JPP isn't an example. He was raw...but he did in shorts translated onto a football field despite football being
a new venture.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:22 PM

JJP didn't step on a football field until he was a junior in high school.

College career
Freshman - 14 sacks
Soph - 10.5 sacks
USF - 6.5 sacks

He was named first team all Big East, First Team Little America, First Team WSC.....he was raw and leaning but still dominated at every stage in college career and recieved the top honors every year.

So JPP isn't an example. He was raw...but he did in shorts translated onto a football field despite football being
a new venture.


Are we really talking about community college.

Come on man.

The guy had 6.5 sacks in D1. I thought that he had the highest boom or bust potential in that draft, very similar to how I feel about Poe.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:24 PM

Charles Johnson played in the freaking SEC and wasnt a high draft pick. That isn't a weak conference and he was a 3rd rounder. That is the complete opposite of an example.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:28 PM

That is JPP's resume...can't say he didn't produce in college and ignore 2 of 3 years. Carolina didn't ignore Cam's. His one year in the Big East he still dominated often...just raw. What he did in shorts actually showed on the field. Which is why he was First Team Big East.

JPP was raw. yes. needed to be fine tuned....unlike Poe his freak skill set showed on the football field

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

Not disagreeing about which is more of a need, I think it can be argued both ways.

That said, we do have 1 really really good CB in Gamble. We have 0 decent DT's combined.

Learning curve for DT is steep, not denying that, but you also have to have crazy talent and size to be good/great at that position, and I'm not sure that any of our DT's are elite athletes.


We have Edwards who I would not conceder a nobody. He was the top FA DT in 2011. Hopfully he can contribute and our two young DTs can put on some weight and just come in this year a little more experienced. We def saw some flashes from McClain and Fua while not great will learn to stand his ground. Add that with the fact we have some role players in Kerse and Nibblit and we could have a solid unit IF and I say IF everyone stays healthy. Adding Garey would easy my worries some though.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:41 PM

I don't have time to go through every 1st round draft pick and look at their college resumes.

What I can tell you is that massive success in college does not always lead to success in the pro's, and under performing in college does not alway mean underperforming in the pros.

I don't grade every position this way, but at the DT position I do.

I just happen to believe that size, strength, quickness, and desire is needed at that position more than any other.

DT is one of the hardest positions IMO to figure out, and to draft for. But we have to get better in the trenches, and I think that Poe can possibly be a beast down low.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:42 PM

The things people say to talk down about poe.

You guys are living in denial. He is rated high on most draft boards.
Just cause you don't agree, doesn't change draft boards of the Panthers, most other teams.

I don't care about talking you into liking him, cause it doesn't matter what you or I think. Only how the Panthers brass rate him. Which is probably higher than most of you have him.

It's hard to say how long it's been since I've seen so many try dog a player.

It does make good entertainment, especially when someone describes poe as jelly. Ignorance is bliss.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:45 PM

The things people say to talk down about poe.

You guys are living in denial. He is rated high on most draft boards.
Just cause you don't agree, doesn't change draft boards of the Panthers, most other teams.

I don't care about talking you into liking him, cause it doesn't matter what you or I think. Only how the Panthers brass rate him. Which is probably higher than most of you have him.

It's hard to say how long it's been since I've seen so many try dog a player.

It does make good entertainment, especially when someone describes poe as jelly. Ignorance is bliss.

You constantly mock others for "not getting it" about Poe, yet when asked to provide any evidence to support your faith in him, all you have provided is what he did at the combine and where some sites have him rated, which most pretty much all changed as a direct result of the combine. So basically, it seems the only thing Poe has ever done to indicate he can be a good pro is be big, run fast, and lift a lot of weight?

I'm seriously trying to figure out what you love about his actual play. I don't really care about his combine stats at this point, I already know them and all they tell me is that he has the physical attributes to be good, but they say absolutely nothing about his ability to play the position. The history of the draft is littered with workout warriors that blew people away at the combine only to fail in the league because they were never able to translate their physical athleticism into on-field performance. So what about his play makes you so sure of him?

You have said that you watched a couple of games against ECU, so what did you see from him that differs so much from his underwhelming highlights? I really am trying to see what is appealing about him, but so far, all I ever see or hear anyone, analysts included, talk about is his athleticism. And that concerns me because for being so athletic, why didn't he produce more against weak competition. Heck, when a 2nd rate RB from Arkansas State stonewalls Poe one-on-one, that is a huge red flag for me. I just don't see it, so I am open to being educated.


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