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#31 Mage

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:48 PM

FWIW arian foster has been the best RB in the league and got less guaranteed money than DWill

Peterson is the face of that franchise

CJ was coming off one of the best seasons for a RB in history and was holding out until he got a deal


so those are your 3 exceptions for the entire league over the last two years. yes, the position has been devalued as is pretty obvious to everyone. if you haven't figured it out by now you probably won't ever and i'm not going to bother to try to convince you, have fun with your little delusion.

So you don't think MJD, McCoy, Forte, etc. will eventually get huge deals? Fred Jackson is likely to get a big deal as well. I forgot to mention Charles as well who was extended last year.

Delusion? Facts support it. If the position wasn't as important as you are making it out to be, then teams wouldn't be throwing money at HBs like they do. They are given big contracts just as often as other positions are. So please explain to me how you know NFL teams don't view the position highly. RBs are still drafted in the top ten and again, don't mention the past. Ingram fell because he wasn't that good and in '09, Spiller went in the top ten and Matthews nearly went top 10 in '10. Richardson will likely go in the top seven. McFadden went top five. Peterson went top five. The position is still viewed highly by NFL teams. Just because hacks on television say it doesn't mean it's true. Those same guys also said a certain quarterback wouldn't succeed because he had no work ethic and a fake smile.

Whether you believe the position to be important nowadays is a different story. That's your opinion. But teams still hold the position in high regard.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:50 PM

Foster, Peterson, Williams, Johnson, Lynch and Charles in the last 2 seasons, "MJD in 2009" "Turner and Jackson in 2008", All of those deals are 4+ years and 30+ million.


You can add Forte, Rice, and Stewart to that list as well.

#33 R0CKnR0LLA

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:50 PM

ok apparently mage is a complete idiot so i'm just going to put him on ignore

#34 xtheronx

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:51 PM


Title says Panthers ARE listening to trade offers for JStew ... never mind .. troll on

#35 Frizzy350

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:52 PM

all teams are always listening for trade offers.

if the deal is sweet enough, the trade would be made.

#36 Mage

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:52 PM

ok apparently mage is a complete idiot so i'm just going to put him on ignore

I'm not a grammar Nazi but if you're going to call someone an idiot, at least type up sentences that make it seem like you have something more than a fifth grade education.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

News Flash: The FO would be stupid not to listen to trade offers...for anyone, including Cam.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

All Im gonna say is, trading Stewart would be horrible for this team. He is the best RB on the team, he is young and will thrive as a lead back in this league.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:01 PM

All Im gonna say is, trading Stewart would be horrible for this team. He is the best RB on the team, he is young and will thrive as a lead back in this league.



How are they going to resign him? He's declined to talk about an extension with the Panther's and will want as much or more money then Williams got and the Panther's are going to be over the cap next season. (It's expected to remain flat for the most part up till the new ESPN deal kicks in for the 2014 season.)

The team can't cut Williams till 2014 at the earliest because of his signing bonus, there aren't a whole lot of cut possibilities either, Smith will need a new contract, so will Otah and a few defensive players as well.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:07 PM

How are they going to resign him? He's declined to talk about an extension with the Panther's and will want as much or more money then Williams got and the Panther's are going to be over the cap next season. (It's expected to remain flat for the most part up till the new ESPN deal kicks in for the 2014 season.)

The team can't cut Williams till 2014 at the earliest because of his signing bonus, there aren't a whole lot of cut possibilities either, Smith will need a new contract, so will Otah and a few defensive players as well.



I understand all that. Just saying if we trade this guy, its terrible for the team. I love DWill but he should have been the one to go. Stewart is younger and to me the better overall RB. Will be a sad day if Stewart gets traded.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:13 PM

Everyone calm down...I know its been a while since we have all had some football but just a few more weeks until the draft. Hang in there.




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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:14 PM

2nd rounder or bust.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:14 PM

I understand all that. Just saying if we trade this guy, its terrible for the team. I love DWill but he should have been the one to go. Stewart is younger and to me the better overall RB. Will be a sad day if Stewart gets traded.



Now I don't have any inside information, but what I think happened is the team went to Stewart about signing long term and he declined, so the team then went and offered Williams the deal they did. The team will try again once the upcoming season is over and offer him similar money to what they gave Williams, just back loaded to take advantage of the cap increase in 2014. I still think he ends up signing elsewhere for more money then Williams got though.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:15 PM

Peppers didn't give us an opportunity to trade him because he refused to sign the tender until after the deadline to trade tagged players.


But, they were negotiating with him for almost a year before they used the 1st franchise tag and they offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL, but Peppers turned it down. So, my point was Hurney knew good and well Peppers didn't want to remain here. So, instead of waiting until you must franchise a player and then the team looses all the leverage, plan ahead, and trade that player, so at least you have something, instead of getting nothing.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:18 PM

But, they were negotiating with him for almost a year before they used the 1st franchise tag and they offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL, but Peppers turned it down. So, my point was Hurney knew good and well Peppers didn't want to remain here. So, instead of waiting until you must franchise a player and then the team looses all the leverage, plan ahead, and trade that player, so at least you have something, instead of getting nothing.



It doesn't always work like that, the player can decline to sign longterm with the new team. Have NTC contract talk and most teams will get the information that a player doesn't want to play for a team anymore through agents and so forth. So they decide to wait it out and let the player hit FA instead of giving up draft picks plus major money.


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