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#31 cookinwithgas

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 10:03 AM

There's a German cemetary in Normandy where a good amount of their dead from the D Day invasion are buried. It is tended by the German government, and is a peaceful, well kept place, altough nothing like the American Cemetary.

I would imagine if people started putting swastika flags on the graves, there would be a big, big problem.

To the soldiers, it was just their flag. A goodly amount of them had no interest in Nazi ideals, they just fought for their country because they wanted to - or were forced to.(Also a lot of them at Normandy were conscripts from Eastern Europe who did not want to be there at all, but thats another matter). However, this does not change the symbolism to the people that live there now.

It's simple etiquette - don't piss off other people just to try and prove some point, in the end you run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot.

This guy is a grandstanding idiot, but so are the people that can't get around the idea that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of a part of Americas history that equates to how bad a country we have the capacity to be without continual reflection and improvement.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 10:09 AM

The klan started because of the oppressive means by which the Union commenced reconstruction. Making beat down soldiers who have lost everything swear allegience to a country that they have no rights in was a wee tad much. Then appointing black people to political office just to rub their noses in it when that same black person could never get elected up north was also just a wee tad much. Watching your property be bought up by carpetbaggers at the same time was just a wee tad much. Reconstruction was a monumental failure by the federal government on many levels.


Do you mean oppresive means like the Jim Crow laws?

How many other conquered lands still fly their flag???

#33 dimbee

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 10:33 AM

Are they talking about the Confederate Battle Flag? How is that the symbol of anything other than an army ready to do battle with and defend itself against an oppressive invader

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 01:04 PM

symbols are very powerful and straight forward things. to most people, the confederate flag does not represent a rich tapestry of nuanced history. it represents slavery. that is not an 'incorrect emotion,' and the symbol's use has no place in our government.


Why does the confederate flag represent slavery, but other symbols of nations or empires that held slaves do not? The Roman Empire enslaved, raped, pillaged and made the confederacy look angelic by comparison, yet symbols of Rome are ok.

FWIW, I do own a confederate flag, exact replica of the battle flag for the 26th NC infantry flag, the regiment in which my ancestors fought. I am a Civil War buff, have read hundreds of books on the subject and am fascinated by the war, but the passions and tactics of those that fought. IMO, the flag I own is a keepsake, nothing more. But then, I don't care much for symbology anyway.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 01:46 PM

Confederates were stupid. They lost. The flag holds ties to slavery but does not exactly represent it. It has become synonomous with the KKK in some regards and that observation is mostly true.

Couldn't they honor their relatives in another way? Maybe they shouldn't have been treasonous, even though the decision was controlled by the planter class and the typical farmer hated the war. So in this regard the flag doesn't really represent much except for what he was forced to die for because the Southern govn't was backwards and ignorant. Just find a different way to honor them.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 01:47 PM

Confederates were stupid. They lost. The flag holds ties to slavery but does not exactly represent it. It has become synonomous with the KKK in some regards and that observation is mostly true.

Couldn't they honor their relatives in another way? Maybe they shouldn't have been treasonous, even though the decision was controlled by the planter class and the typical farmer hated the war. So in this regard the flag doesn't really represent much except for what he was forced to die for because the Southern govn't was backwards and ignorant. Just find a different way to honor them.

#37 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 02:01 PM

They were not treasonous. Loyalty then was more to the state than to the nation. It was true as much in the North as it was in the South. Thats a big part of the reason that the regiments were implemented by state on both sides. Many soldiers didn't want to fight for a company commander that came from another state.

IMO, judging civil war era soldiers by today's standards is wrong.

#38 Matt Foley

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 03:10 PM

Canada has issues with parts of the country wanting to break away. The French speaking part, especially. I don't think they are treasonous. Sometimes people just become too different to be under the same flag.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:37 PM

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Rodeo supports the rights of those who burn the American flag.


I support the right of those to burn American flags, but only if they wrap themselves up in it first.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 08:02 PM

Confederates were stupid. They lost. The flag holds ties to slavery but does not exactly represent it. It has become synonomous with the KKK in some regards and that observation is mostly true.

Couldn't they honor their relatives in another way? Maybe they shouldn't have been treasonous, even though the decision was controlled by the planter class and the typical farmer hated the war. So in this regard the flag doesn't really represent much except for what he was forced to die for because the Southern govn't was backwards and ignorant. Just find a different way to honor them.

Do you honestly think you have a right to tell anyone else how to honor - or grieve for - their ancestors?

Whether you agree with what they do or not, no one has the right to destroy their chosen form of memorial.


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