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Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

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How many good players does Carolina allow to reach the last year of there contract that they believe are part of there long term plans? So if going by what Carolina has PROVEN they will want to address Newton before 2014.

I am quite sure you aren't allowed to address rookie contracts the first 3 years (under the new agreement). So 2014 is the first year we are allowed to.

Someone with knowledge please confirm. (Or reject :D)

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I was talking about guys who left here and got more, not guys in the league. I must have not been clear.

I don't think paying 6 or 7 million for a playmaker who accounts for 1200 yards of offense is too much. Smitty accounted for 1300 yards and got over 8 million while Shockey got paid 4 million for 450 yards of offense.

It isn't how many snaps you are in the game but what you do when you get your snaps. A guy like Devin Hester touches the ball only a few times a game but he is explosive enough to justify a big salary.

Difference. Big one actually. There are not guys sitting on the bench that could step into Smittys shoes and put up comparable production. Now that guy on the bench may not give identical production but it is in the ballpark. That is why RBs are considered a dime a dozen...easy to get production from that spot.

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What is Stus trade value?

Well first you have to consider what is in the bargain:

* Great RB with a low salary and a 1 year contract

* Possibility to extend 1 year with a tag at (I believe) around $7M

* History of low practice rate due to foot problems (no games missed)

This does not smell close to 1st round or even 2nd to me. The only change we get that is if we can work out kind of a long term "sign-n-trade" deal. But this is vary rare in football. Otherwise the contract is just to short to be great trade value.

This is somewhat like all "WHY DID WE NOT GET ANYTHING FOR PEPPERS, HE IS A GREAT DE" whining. Because we did not have a great DE to trade. We had the service/rental of a great DE for one year at $20M+ to trade and no one wanted that.

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I am quite sure you aren't allowed to address rookie contracts the first 3 years (under the new agreement). So 2014 is the first year we are allowed to.

Someone with knowledge please confirm. (Or reject :D)

The rule is that you can't renegotiate for one year after the initial contract.

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Difference. Big one actually. There are not guys sitting on the bench that could step into Smittys shoes and put up comparable production. Now that guy on the bench may not give identical production but it is in the ballpark. That is why RBs are considered a dime a dozen...easy to get production from that spot.

Not on the bench but if we wanted to pay that almost 9 million a year to another player we could have brought in Mike Williams or a number of other very productive guys. But actually I don't think there is anyone on the bench who can come in and replace Stewart either. HIs production would come from shared carries by everyone else. And if runningbacks are a dime a dozen why are there several making more than Williams is this year and why is Richardson a top 5 pick.

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What is Stus trade value?

Well first you have to consider what is in the bargain:

* Great RB with a low salary and a 1 year contract

* Possibility to extend 1 year with a tag at (I believe) around $7M

* History of low practice rate due to foot problems (no games missed)

This does not smell close to 1st round or even 2nd to me. The only change we get that is if we can work out kind of a long term "sign-n-trade" deal. But this is vary rare in football. Otherwise the contract is just to short to be great trade value.

This is somewhat like all "WHY DID WE NOT GET ANYTHING FOR PEPPERS, HE IS A GREAT DE" whining. Because we did not have a great DE to trade. We had the service/rental of a great DE for one year at $20M+ to trade and no one wanted that.

Actually what is real common is for the team that wants to trade for him to work out contract terms before they agree to a trade, similar to what we did with Greg Olsen last year. If we don't get a first for him we can always give him the non-exclusive tag next year. We only have to pay him around 6.5 million if he stays or if he goes elsewhere if someone else wants to pay him more, we get their first rounder.

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Not on the bench but if we wanted to pay that almost 9 million a year to another player we could have brought in Mike Williams or a number of other very productive guys. But actually I don't think there is anyone on the bench who can come in and replace Stewart either. HIs production would come from shared carries by everyone else. And if runningbacks are a dime a dozen why are there several making more than Williams is this year and why is Richardson a top 5 pick.

because williams's contract dictated the contract of several RBs in the league and richardson is a complete back who can be had for a much cheaper price via the draft than the market (set by williams's contract) currently asks for.

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I disagree on all counts. First of all I think we can and will offer a contract like Williams except it will be back loaded instead of front loaded like William's was to account for signing Stewart next year. I also think Stewart is not in competition with Williams but the going rate for running backs in 2013. If the best deal he can get is less than Williams got but is still better than what anyone else will offer, he would be a fool not to take it. Finally I really doubt they have to trade him or let him walk. If they put a non-exclusive tag on him next year he can negotiate with other teams and find out his worth. Then we either sign him or he goes elsewhere and we get a first rounder which is what we paid for him anyway.

Why would a NFL RB sign a backloaded contract?

Also, if there is comparable money out there for then location and reps/role come into play. Carolina made there choice....paying Stewart like Williams would just be making a mistake worse. Too much talent on the bench...not enough on the field

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because williams's contract dictated the contract of several RBs in the league and richardson is a complete back who can be had for a much cheaper price via the draft than the market (set by williams's contract) currently asks for.

Which reinforces my point that not all backs are a dime a dozen

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