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Yes, I am an OP, but that is just on this board.... I've always been a huge Panthers fan, but didn't realize that this forum existed. But on to the topic at hand, Wide Receiver.

It does not seem that upgrading at WR seems to be a priority to everyone else, but in my mind, it is a weakness of ours. Naanee, sucks. Watching him start games as a Panther was painful. There is a reason we did not go resign him.

Next on the list is Lafell, this guy could not even pass Naanee on the depth chart, which does not make me feel optmistic. He has the size, he just does not seem to have the speed or sure hands. Because of these things, I'm not so sure if he's the answer opposite Steve, and definitely not an answer in the slot.

One player giving me some hope is Gettis. It is a shame we only got to see him with Clausen. It makes me wonder what he and Cam could have accomplished, or if it will end up working out between them. Maybe he could be the answer opposite Steve, but that still leaves the slot open, and an aging Steve Smith with not real replacement in sight.

Then we come to Pilhares and Armanti. Neither are WR worthy, as much as I wish Armanti was. This leads me to come to the conclusion that something must be done.

These are the three options I see:

Braylon Edwards- Yes, he had a pretty terrible year with the 49ers, but Alex Smith isn't exactly a vertical passer. He completed one pass to a WR against the Giants (pretty sad). And they had Josh Morgan and Michael Crabtree, which aren't shabby WR's. This guy would be a big playmaker who we could probably get pretty cheap. I was hoping for Manningham, but I think this guy has some gas left in the tank.

Kendall Wright- If he is available at the end of the 1st I might trade up to get him. He is fast, he is quick, and he put up good numbers with Griffin at the helm. 1600 yards and 14 touchdowns is pretty damn good if you ask me. The plus with this guy, is that he is a natural slot receiver, and can also play outside. This is a big deal because if Gettis does end up breaking out, this guy can be put in the slot and its a great trio of WR's. He could is even Steve Smith esque, and could replace him down the road.

Brian Quick- Another Appalachian State guy, but this guy is a freak that we could get in the third, maybe even get at the end of the second. I have seen this guy play firsthand on multiple occassions and this guy is a freak. He is bigger, faster, sure handed, and everything what Lafell should have been. I saw Lafell play Penn State in his last game, and I could have told you his flaws before he was a Panther and in the NFL. Quick would have went to a bigger D1 school if he had played more football in highschool, but he only played 1 year and so he had to go to App, which has worked out. He jumps over people, with his freakish height and wingspan. The man can't be stopped. It was a clinic out there with him. I would be so confident that this guy would work out to pick him with out second round pick, much more sure of a pick than Armanti (who was drafted strictly as an athletic player with no credentials).

Wide Receiver needs to be stressed more than it is. Yes, we had a great offensive year, but our widereceivers really killed us in some of our games. Giving Cam more weapons is huge, and getting better is a must. You can even take note of the Patriots, who had Wes, Gronkowski, Hernandez, and a serviceable Branch. They went out and made all kinds of WR signings because they strive to be the best. The Panthers must do this as well.

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Lafells hands were amongst the best on the team last season.
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Welcome to the Huddle!

I think it'll be addressed in the draft, but not until after the 3rd round. Gettis has the potential for a huge upside barring no setbacks from his injury. LaFell is a good fill-in and has shown flashes at the position. I have a feeling they will be targeting another big TE in the draft before they go after a WR.

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I think you're wrong on LaFell. His hands weren't an issue last season and you could clearly see his progression as the season went on.

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[quote name='Double34Trouble28' timestamp='1333323084' post='1712875']
I think you're wrong on LaFell. His hands weren't an issue last season and you could clearly see his progression as the season went on.
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Don't get me wrong, he definitely showed flashes... But for example, in Houston, he was targeted a multitude of times and failed to come up with a single catch. And if you can't get ahead of Naanee except when he gets injured, I'm not impressed.

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Defense should be our priority.

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[quote name='ClarkCam' timestamp='1333323251' post='1712878']
Don't get me wrong, he definitely showed flashes... But for example, in Houston, he was targeted a multitude of times and failed to come up with a single catch. And if you can't get ahead of Naanee except when he gets injured, I'm not impressed.
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Don't forget that a lot of Naanee's playing time came because he was familiar with the San Diego (Carolina) coaching staff last season. He was Rivera's comfort/go-to guy.

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How dare you defy Lafell on this forum.

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i would love to see us address wide receiver with a high pick next year if neither lafell nor gettis step up and look like future number one's the year. smitty does unimaginable things for this offense and without him we'd be in wideout hell (look at the bears' last decade for a comparison.)

can't poo on lafell though. he actually DID surpass naanee on the depth chart towards the end of the season, and made a ridiculous amount of clutch catches, and also recorded the longest touchdown reception in the history of the franchise.

one could actually argue that this is our most questionable position on offense so i agree we should monitor it... i'm just not sure this is the year to permanently upgrade options at the position when we are lacking in so many other places.
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Yeah but vs Greenbay and the Vikings he was clutch, LaFell and Gettis will take heat off of Smith, especially if we line them up as wideouts and let fearless smith work the slot, also with Olsen as a receiving threat at TE, and not even to mention our backfield, we still have a powerhouse offense, just hope the line gels and protects Cam and open holes for the running game, also Pilares was a rookie last year, I think he can be the scat back all of us want, he played slot WR and HB at hawaii and the last rookie to run a KO back for a TD for us, was our very own Steve Smith,

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I bet if Braylon doesn't sign with anyone soon, he will take anything thrown at him. That's when the Panthers can nab him dirt cheap. I know a lot of folks are down on him for his 'drops', which he has fixed through the years. I know he's 29, coach chudzinski and Cam (mostly cam though) would revitalize his career. I wouldn't mind it if he takes the minimal amount.

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Also, LaFell hands are better than B. Edwards by a long shot...

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LA was nothing more than teacher. He helped the young WRs learn the new system. Once LaFell caught on he passed LA on the depth chart.

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[quote name='Bullethead527' timestamp='1333323711' post='1712891']
Also, LaFell hands [b]our[/b] better than B. Edwards by a long shot...
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I don't know about that.. Edwards wasn't on the field much last year. You can't really compare them.

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The "couldn't beat out Naanee" argument is not really a solid argument. You need to go back and research quotes from Rivera and Hurney about exactly why Legs was brought in and why he was starting and seeing a lot of the field.

I'll save you a little time and let you in on the basics. It had ever little, if any, to do with his actual skill and ability as a receiver and everything to do with familiarity with the offense. It was stated on more than one occasion that Legs was helping, not only Cam, but everyone in the huddle and at the line to make sure everyone knew the play being run and that they were properly placed, etc.

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If our defense didn't suck balls I think WR would be a higher priority on our lists of needs. So as a result we have to see how Lafell/Gettis/Pilares develop.
If we manage to improve our defense this year, I do envision us taking a WR with the 1st pick next year.
I think we draft a WR this draft but more for PR/KR.
On Braylon, I would be happy if he came for a 1 yr minimum high incentive contract.

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I didn't realize so many people were that high on Lafell.... When I saw him in the game, he did not get that many targets. There were multiple games that Naanee and Lafell both had around equal time (they split near the end of the season, Lafell never passed Naanee. Lafell started in front of Naanee the last few games due to injury), and Naanee continued to get more targets. I just don't think Lafell gets the separation that an elite WR needs. I see him do most of his damage in zone coverage (sometimes in man when shear size takes over). The reason I like Braylon as a cheap option for this upcoming season, is because Braylon can get more separation, and if Lafell does end up performing better than Braylon, great. I'm rooting for him. Then you can sit Braylon because we didn't pay him much to begin with. Hopefully you are guys are right on Lafell's potential. I just didn't see it. He had less receptions this season than with Clausen.

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I say NO to Quick. There's no way we draft another player from APP, and I'm a huge fan of APP.

I think there's a possibility for Wright but we have huge needs on Defense.

Best chance is signing Braylon when we clear Wharton's cap in June I think. Braylon had his best season with Chud so there's some connection there.

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[quote name='Ivan The Awesome' timestamp='1333324104' post='1712903']
I don't know about that.. Edwards wasn't on the field much last year. You can't really compare them.
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from 08-2010 Edwards has like a 14% drop rate, I think we ranked in the low 40's, should have clarified my point a little more...

Lafell had a bad 2010 drop rate around 11% and this past year under 6%, so I would say he has improved on his second year, and Edwards has had 14% between 08-10, he didn't really play in 2011....

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I will say that whoever does end up picking up Quick is going to get themselves a really quality player.
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Naanee was garbage,no doubt but,for some reason,Rivera liked him. Whenever Lafell was in he produced solid numbers and gained valuable experience. Saw no reason what so ever to question Lafell's hands. Edwards,at the right price and mind-set, would give us the receiving corps needed for a legit play-off run. Draft exclusively defense,which kept us from getting there last season.

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[quote name='Bullethead527' timestamp='1333325560' post='1712933']
from 08-2010 Edwards has like a 14% drop rate, I think we ranked in the low 40's, should have clarified my point a little more...

Lafell had a bad 2010 drop rate around 11% and this past year under 6%, so I would say he has improved on his second year, and Edwards has had 14% between 08-10, he didn't really play in 2011....
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You know what Smiths was? 17% percent. Doesn't mean he's a bad wide out...

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[quote name='Ivan The Awesome' timestamp='1333327880' post='1712962']
You know what Smiths was? 17% percent. Doesn't mean he's a bad wide out...
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Yeah I agree, but I just think bringing in vets will limit the progression of our young talent when it comes to the WR position, especially when we have some many holes on DEF, the GM has to use the remaining money wisely, IMO and bringing in a VET WR, I feel goes against that philosophy.

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[quote name='Bullethead527' timestamp='1333328889' post='1712969']
Yeah I agree, but I just think bringing in vets will limit the progression of our young talent when it comes to the WR position, especially when we have some many holes on DEF, the GM has to use the remaining money wisely, IMO and bringing in a VET WR, I feel goes against that philosophy.
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I can get a handle on your view on this subject and agree to an extent. It still wouldn't hurt taking a look at Edwards, especially if he comes for cheap. He's honestly the only wide out I'd want to consider in the FA market right now, just because he has familiarity with the system that Chudz has implemented.

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I mentioned Blackmon yesterday for this same topic's reasons, for our wideouts are either developing or aging.

A veteran player like Edwards could relieve Smitty but it has not been done since Moose. It seems you need to have someone just as passionate as Smitty, or it does not work. Not selfish but crazy to get along on the field. TE Shockey has passion and it worked. Keyshawn was selfish and it failed bad.

Perhaps Chad Johnson? he has personal history and has passion. He would get along with Smitty and help Cam.

If we pick up a wide receiver in the draft, he needs to be very comfortable in his abilities. Hence, a high pick rather a late one in the draft.

Jarrett, Colbert, dude from OSU that the raiders picked up a few years back all were later picks that did not work opposite Smitty.

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