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#61 Panthro

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:23 PM

I sorta want us to draft Kuechly so he can prove the haters wrong like Cam did last year..

I'd love for him to do that on another team. Missing on a franchise QB is a helluva a lot different than reaching for a 4-3 LB in the Top 10.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

I think you should look up the definition. Are you a racist? Maybe or maybe not. Is it stereotyping? Absolutely.

If you wanted to say you think he will be a bust since BC defense funneled the plays to him and he is a sure tackler. Then that would not be racist but it would be accurate.


No that wouldn't be accurate at all. it just looked like Kuechly had plays funnelled to him because he ran from sideline to sideline making plays everywhere. Now lets compare him to Curry except Curry wasn't white.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

I think its time for you to let those combine numbers go... GMs look at the tape and not the combine and thats why we will not pick him at 9.

If everyone went off the combine then we would have Blane Gabbert instead of Cam.


He was voted the best linebacker in college last year before the combine when all they had was tape. Tape is where he shines the most.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:27 PM

I'd love for him to do that on another team. Missing on a franchise QB is a helluva a lot different than reaching for a 4-3 LB in the Top 10.


Where have you been? Most pundits believe he is the safest pick in the first round no matter where he goes.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

If I'm being honest, I've thought to myself Kuechly isn't as "explosive" as say a Patrick Willis. There are tons of great white linebackers in the NFL but in general black players are stereotyped as more athletic. There is something in the brain that makes us draw these comparisons. That's why every white WR is Wes Welker. Every white DB is Jason Sehorn. Sometimes black QBs get compared to each other.

All of this is just thoughts. I'm not big on chastising someone for a racial thought. Racist behavior is what we should be worried about. Society has gotten so worried about this thoughts in the last 20 years.


One of the reasons the combine is there is to level the playing field whether the bias is the conference they played in, the competition, their athleticism, etc. It allows a guy like Kuechly to go head to head as well as unknowns to compare to him. But I do agree that he is getting undue criticism because he is white. Nevermind that he had better stats in 3 years than Willis did in 4 year and their combine numbers are very similar. I really think Kuechly will be every bit as good as Willis is.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

Boston College opinions on Luke

first off, love kuechly, but...


his ability to be a statistical freak is in my opinion directly connected to our diminished ability to defend the pass…
Okay, now about Kuechly (and I’d like to preface this by saying this is in no way his fault), the reason he continually gets 20+ tackles in games is because we will ALWAYS allow for receivers to catch the ball because we play off of them in zone coverage, this of course makes us extremely susceptible to screen plays… How many times did Duke dump it off to one of the sides and then the back or receiver would pick up 5-8 yards before Kuechly had time to make his way from the middle of the field and bring um down?



It has nothing to do with how aggressive our D can be, and virtually everything to do with poor coaching and a bad D-line.
The D is designed for corners to funnel any rusher toward the LB. It’s pretty much just a Cover 2/3 system with some rigid concepts thrown in to play the probabilities. Of course, this leaves you vulnerable to screen passes, so you have to mix in man coverage or press a bit to stop it. Failure #1, we never adjusted until the end of the game and let Duke run screen after screen against 15 yard cushions. In addition, in normal years, the D-line should eat up a lot of Kuechly’s tackles by stopping rushers with the front 4. Instead, it sucks, and they’re letting guys get into the backfield constantly for Kuechly to tackle them. He’s doing his job, but this D isn’t designed to function if he’s the only one doing it.



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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

Where have you been? Most pundits believe he is the safest pick in the first round no matter where he goes.

They said the same thing about Aaron Curry

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:34 PM

Boston College opinions on Luke


And this was a message board or experts discussing this?? Why not throw in a Bleacher report article or two.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

They said the same thing about Aaron Curry


Glad we could throw that in there. So you agree that Kuechly is athletic and quick like Curry??? Why do you think Curry has underacheived??

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

And this was a message board or experts discussing this?? Why not throw in a Bleacher report article or two.


So what does that say about your opinions?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:39 PM

And this was a message board or experts discussing this?? Why not throw in a Bleacher report article or two.


It's no different from your opinion. But they have seen him play more.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:41 PM

I understand if you have criticisms about Kuechly as a player, and his ability to rush the passer, but saying that he won't be a good LB because he is white is absurd.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

Lol, love how both race based topics get all the action today..

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:46 PM

Yes, I'd say you're wrong because that is the same stereotyping that we saw with game regarding a black quarterback.

On top of that I would say you are wrong because there are plenty of great linebackers that are white.

1. James Laurinaitis was third in solo tackles and eighth in total tackles.
2. Pat Angerer was second in assisted tackles and fourth in total tackles.
3. Paul Posluszny was seventh in assisted tackles.
4. Connor Barwin was ninth in sacks.
5. Rob Ninkovich was second in fumble recoveries.
6. Brian Urlacher was second in fumbles recovered for touchdowns.

Other good white linebackers include...
Jarrett Johnson
Brian Cushing
Sean Lee
A.J. Hawk
Ryan Kerrigan
Clay Matthews


The problem is not that there aren't any good white linebackers it's that there aren't that many white linebackers to begin with. Most white linebackers are actually pretty sold.

By the way, most people are comparing Luke Kuechly to Zach Thomas not Aaron Curry.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

GMs look at the tape and not the combine and thats why we will not pick him at 9.

If everyone went off the combine then we would have Blane Gabbert instead of Cam.


Just like GMs said Cam ran a simplistic offense and was wildly inaccurate at times, or that he would take at least 3 years to develop?

Stereotypes and biases DO affect some scouts' evaluations.

And Cam was extremely impressive at the combine.

As far as the thread, BP has a point. And this is why many, including myself, got so pissed off last year when it came to Cam. Stereotypes, biases, and prejudices do influence how some people view players, how they will project, and where they should play.

But, so many times, we have already have proof of how inaccurate these preconceived and biased notions are.


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