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#91 panthers55

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

It's no different from your opinion. But they have seen him play more.


Except that there is nothing to say they are unbiased or informed. Lots of people on here watch every game. From looking at the posts it is pretty obvious they some have no idea what they are talking about. As for what was said of course defense don't funnel running plays to specific linebackers. Linemen take up blockers and contain the edges turning plays back inside where the linebackers make plays. That isn't exactly funneling plays so much as doing their job in the 4-3 scheme. But if people want to call that funneling then so be it. But it wasn't designed for him specifically but is what happens in every 3-4 and 4-3 scheme. The linebackers job is to flow to the ball and make tackles and cover in the short zone.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:44 PM

You are implying that expert opinions are as good as facts. Just giving you a heads up....

Expert opinions that are based on facts are generally reliable. Particularly those that show to be accurate over time. I have my favorites and those I beleive to be better than others. For the draft for example I like Gil Brandt quite a bit.

But opinions are just that, assessments of what folks think based on any number of criteria. They are not the same as facts.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

The awesome thing about football is that a hardcore fan is often as knowledgeable, or even more so, than a paid expert.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:51 PM

What about black Quarterbacks? Oh wait...

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:53 PM

The awesome thing about football is that some hardcore fans are often as knowledgeable, or even more so, than a paid expert.
Unfortunately a lot more think they are then is actually the case


Fixed it for you.....

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

If you can say you notice a trend of poor LBs, based on race you are saying a lot more than you think in that sentence. What other trends can we ignorantley attribute it to race?

Black guys being more atheletic than white guys is a sterotype not racism. Racism is backed by instutional power, as is descrimination.

It's more of an inccorrect attribution (sterotype), than it is racist. A trend is nothing but a trend, it's not a correlation. If I get robbed by a black guy, the situation follow a 'local' or 'global' trend, but it is inaccurate to correlate the race to the behavior.

If you want to prove correlation, cause and effect as well as (most importantley)a high degree of significance, through purely racial measures, you're going to have hard time. So what's all this noonsense mean? It means that if he fails to be a good LB, he may follow a trend but it's absurd to say he is white and that is why, a false correlation.

Are you wrong for thinking this? Yes, but not like you think. You're not morally wrong. Youre wrong as in assuming there is a correlation. A better statement might be "Am I wrong he will follow a trend of..." rather than "Am I wrong because I think he'll fail because he is white...".

Also be aware when people say white, what they're really saying is 'not black' or 'not latino'. That is why race is stupid, inaccurate and is man made; even further proof racial correlations are not only complete crap, but are near impossible to find any significance in it.

If you found out he was French, would it change to French guys can't play LB? Would a new trend start? Probably not. We'd probably all ignore that and just say white vs. black.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:42 PM

Jared Allen, Justin Smith, JJ Watt, Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, Kelly Gregg, Eric Weddle, Jim Leonhard, Tom Zbikowski


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:49 PM

Yes

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

Dont worry he would be a bust if he was purple. Dude is a avg MLB that is this years Gabbert in terms of hype.

dude you are the smartest guy on this forum.

#100 Dpantherman

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:57 PM

YES...I haven't read 1 post in the read, but YES!!!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:20 PM

Just like GMs said Cam ran a simplistic offense and was wildly inaccurate at times, or that he would take at least 3 years to develop?

Stereotypes and biases DO affect some scouts' evaluations.

And Cam was extremely impressive at the combine.

As far as the thread, BP has a point. And this is why many, including myself, got so pissed off last year when it came to Cam. Stereotypes, biases, and prejudices do influence how some people view players, how they will project, and where they should play.

But, so many times, we have already have proof of how inaccurate these preconceived and biased notions are.


He was not the fastest QB at the combine nor did he do well with passing... If you call that extremely well IDK what you call bad. Also it was the talking heads say he ran a simplistic offense not the GMs cause they dont talk they pick players and the good ones dont show there hand.

Cam is great without having to make up things about him.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

To say Luke Kuechly will be a bust because he's white is unfair. He had awesome college carrer, 3 years at BC play 38 games he recorded 532 tackles which is now an ACC Conference record. I don't think a slow average player can do that. He's got better each year so why wouldn't he progress into good NFL linebacker?



I don't think we'll draft him tho, wouldn't be upset or mad if did. He would be good insurance for T.Davis or Beason if either one goes down again.

The meanest linebacker of all NFL was Jack Lambert, he's so happen be white and H.O.F.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:37 PM

He was not the fastest QB at the combine nor did he do well with passing... If you call that extremely well IDK what you call bad. Also it was the talking heads say he ran a simplistic offense not the GMs cause they dont talk they pick players and the good ones dont show there hand.

Cam is great without having to make up things about him.


You're right... He was not impressive at all at the combine. I mean, factoring in his height/weight, his 40 time, vertical, broad jump, and arm strength were not impressive at all. They certainly didn't stack up to the likes of Blaine Gabbert. In fact, his numbers were pathetic. I have no idea how he even got drafted after that performance.

And I'm sure if you pull up any articles from last year, none of them have "One NFL GM..." or "One NFC/AFC scout said..." They did, and that's what I was referring to. There were articles that said he ran a simplistic offense with those same references.

His throwing session at the combine was still extremely impressive for those that understood what was going on. First off, his footwork caused misses because he wasn't used to throwing from under center. Second, he was throwing to receivers he wasn't familiar with and there was even an article on that recently that suggested he was in so many words, setup for failure.

So, obviously, considering all of that... Yeah, he was unimpressive. Just ask Hurney.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:41 PM

this thread is like reading the comment section of NFL.com articles

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:01 PM

saying ANY prospect will bust before a nfl snap is unfair. with that being said, im not a fan of Luke. i only see a decent football player on the next level. i like other LBs who will be there in the 2nd round that have shown the ability to rush the passer. and one is a white OLB by the name Shea McClellin. McClellin is a LB i would rather have than Luke.


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