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it's a myth that bullying to the point of suicides didn't happen back in the good ol' days when you could drink water from the hose and ride your bike without helmets. the arrival of the internet has not only added another dimension to bullying - a far more sinister one that is much harder to control - but it has allowed us to become aware of these bully/suicide incidents every single time they happen. frequency hasn't just randomly skyrocketed, but our awareness of it has.

i'm amazed that people can adopt such a lackadaisical attitude about it when it is so clearly a major, major issue.

Because it's not a major issue. And most of the time, the bullying is as much an error in judgment on the part of the bullee.

Why would a bully even have your phone number? You either gave it to a trusted friend who turned out to be untrustworthy (error in judgment), or you handed it out like crackers at a cheese social (error in judgment). And closing your Facebook account isn't a hard thing to do.

It's easy to prevent if you simply unplug from the people who are attacking you. But I guess wallowing in misery is easier than fighting it.

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Bullying is just social stratification. Animals do it, too.

It's ridiculous to either expect it to go away or to try to make it go away.

The more enemies you make, the more people it effectively takes to bring you down. Use it to build strength.

Last I checked, humans were held to a higher standard than wild animals.

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Because it's not a major issue. And most of the time, the bullying is as much an error in judgment on the part of the bullee.

Why would a bully even have your phone number? You either gave it to a trusted friend who turned out to be untrustworthy (error in judgment), or you handed it out like crackers at a cheese social (error in judgment). And closing your Facebook account isn't a hard thing to do.

It's easy to prevent if you simply unplug from the people who are attacking you. But I guess wallowing in misery is easier than fighting it.

so close down all your social and communicative media because certain people refuse to acknowledge that assholes shouldn't be tolerated by society?

sorry, but not everything can be solved by a good punch to the face. this isn't an episode of leave it to beaver and things don't just fit neatly into a beat-up-the-bully-and-become-a-man paradigm. the issue is far more complex.

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Because it's not a major issue. And most of the time, the bullying is as much an error in judgment on the part of the bullee.

Why would a bully even have your phone number? You either gave it to a trusted friend who turned out to be untrustworthy (error in judgment), or you handed it out like crackers at a cheese social (error in judgment). And closing your Facebook account isn't a hard thing to do.

It's easy to prevent if you simply unplug from the people who are attacking you. But I guess wallowing in misery is easier than fighting it.

Wow...So if I'm reading your post right, if someone makes an error in judgement, they deserve to be bullied or it's ok if they're bullied? Kind of reminds me of people who say that if women dress provocatively they deserve to be raped. If you have to go to school with the bullies, it's not that easy to get away from them. And like Sunbunny said, even closing a FB account wouldn't help if the bullies are still putting things or their or their friend's pages.

Oh, and bullying IS a major issue!

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also remember bullying has changed from "give me your lunch money or i'll punch you in the face" to "you are worthless and you shouldn't have been born and everyone in the school agrees that you should just go hang yourself."

the former is physically frightening and is often fixable by nutting up and nailing someone. the latter is far, far more sinister because it is so devastating psychologically, far more effective than a punch.

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also remember bullying has changed from "give me your lunch money or i'll punch you in the face" to "you are worthless and you shouldn't have been born and everyone in the school agrees that you should just go hang yourself."

the former is physically frightening and is often fixable by nutting up and nailing someone. the latter is far, far more sinister because it is so devastating psychologically, far more effective than a punch.

Good point. Bullying like everything else is more extreme and widely communicated now. Its no longer a small deal.

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It is unrealistic to expect what I experienced in Junior High (what a nightmare period in anyone's life-mostly internally generated) and to a more limited degree in High school to go away completely.

By that I mean degrading comments between both friends and classmates.

Sadly, we seem in our darkest moments and in our most socially precarious situations to frequently fall back on tearing others down in an ineffective attempt to make ourselves feel better.

I don't think THAT will ever go away.

I do hope that extreme violence in these situations, both outward and inwardly directed, can be avoided thru education and some enlightenment, both at home and in the schools.

Sadly, the schools seem hard pressed to offer PE and art let alone warm fuzzies, and home lives seem to be getting more and more detached.

Dunno, but as is usually the case, it starts at home.

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Because it's not a major issue. And most of the time, the bullying is as much an error in judgment on the part of the bullee.

Why would a bully even have your phone number? You either gave it to a trusted friend who turned out to be untrustworthy (error in judgment), or you handed it out like crackers at a cheese social (error in judgment). And closing your Facebook account isn't a hard thing to do.

It's easy to prevent if you simply unplug from the people who are attacking you. But I guess wallowing in misery is easier than fighting it.

Wow....another "blame the victim" defense.

You cannot "unplug" from those bullying you.

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Dunno, but as is usually the case, it starts at home.

Yep....find a bully and you will usually find an asshole for their parent.

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it's a myth that bullying to the point of suicides didn't happen back in the good ol' days when you could drink water from the hose and ride your bike without helmets. the arrival of the internet has not only added another dimension to bullying - a far more sinister one that is much harder to control - but it has allowed us to become aware of these bully/suicide incidents every single time they happen. frequency hasn't just randomly skyrocketed, but our awareness of it has.

i'm amazed that people can adopt such a lackadaisical attitude about it when it is so clearly a major, major issue.

Bullying to the point of suicide was less common "back in the good ol' days" because bullying was different, IMO. I do NOT Think it is just more awareness now, I think that bullying itself has changed (though I think some level of awareness has changed too). I may be wrong, I haven't done any studies on this stuff but I do know that I was bullied and I had many friends who had it bad too, and while there were extreme cases, I think these days there are *more* cases of extreme bullying etc.

As to "blocking people", tried that, but said people just posted stuff on their own wall, which of course got back to my previously mentioned family member.

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