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[beach]

wow, 5.17 yards per carry

the defense is really going places with Jason Shirley, Andre Neblett and Frank Kearse in the interior

Kearse did show something though. He could be a solid backup.

I wouldn't say the same for Nebbles and Shirley but Jason did show some flashes of being ok.

[panthers55]

it's interesting that you make just as good an effort putting a positive spin on the interior line that you do putting a negative spin on the linebackers

I analyze the facts and then formulate my thoughts accordingly there is no spin to it. Look at football outsiders and analyze the run defense like I have and see if you don't come to the same conclusion.

http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/dl

Notice that our power rank is 18th but in second level runs we were 31st. Who was responsible for the discrepancy??? It isn't hard to figure it out.

[panthers55]

Kearse did show something though. He could be a solid backup.

I wouldn't say the same for Nebbles and Shirley but Jason did show some flashes of being ok.

Shirley played in 4 games as a rotational guy not a starter and had 2 1/2 sacks. Some DTs don't have that many for a whole season.

Neblett started 2 games and rotated in all 16 but had solid numbers with 23 tackles and 2 1/2 sacks as well. Again good numbers for a rotational guy.

Kearse had the fewest sacks at 0.5 in 4 starts and six total appearance along with 10 tackles. He got the most starts but I am not sure he was the most impressive.

[thefuzz]

I'll tell you what 55.

You keep thinking that drafting 43 LB's is the way to success, and I will continue to think like successful NFL football front offices.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

If he's the best player there, sure sign the cat up. There's nothing worse than forcing a draft pick because you need a position fixed immediately (looking at you Jacksonville).

[lineal89]

I've looked at Kuechly stats and they are very impressive. I was thinking of someone else with our 1st and Zach Brown with our 2nd, but know I'm thinking Kuechly with our 1st and hopefully Janoris Jenkins with our 2nd.

[CRA]

I'll tell you what 55.

You keep thinking that drafting 43 LB's is the way to success, and I will continue to think like successful NFL football front offices.

Just bc lots of teams are running 3-4 schemes
and therefore naturally reduces the numbers.....it doesn't mean 4-3 LBs are no longer important for those running a 43

[DaCityKats]

Shirley played in 4 games as a rotational guy not a starter and had 2 1/2 sacks. Some DTs don't have that many for a whole season.

Neblett started 2 games and rotated in all 16 but had solid numbers with 23 tackles and 2 1/2 sacks as well. Again good numbers for a rotational guy.

Kearse had the fewest sacks at 0.5 in 4 starts and six total appearance along with 10 tackles. He got the most starts but I am not sure he was the most impressive.

Kearse ws the NT and his job was to command double teams and clog up the middle, which he did a ok job at. he wasnt on the field to collect sacks.

[DaCityKats]

Just bc lots of teams are running 3-4 schemes
and therefore naturally reduces the numbers.....it doesn't mean 4-3 LBs are no longer important for those running a 43

dolphins and bills are switching back to a 4-3, but teams are not taking non pass rushing LBs high.

[Furiouspumpkin]

I like Shirley and we need LBs. The D-line got good penetration last year especially early on, but the LBs couldn't clean up after them.

[thefuzz]

Just bc lots of teams are running 3-4 schemes
and therefore naturally reduces the numbers.....it doesn't mean 4-3 LBs are no longer important for those running a 43

Then you should see plenty of ILB's going in the first, as there are 2 more ILB's when playing the 34.

What it means is that the positions value is diminishing in todays NFL.

Go back and take a look at how often RB was drafted really high in the past...like say 30 years, and compare it to today. Same can be said for LB.

Order of importance goes a little something like this: QB, DE, OT, DT, CB.

The positions that Hurney likes to draft high, and resign for major bucks is not high on that list. LB's and RB's that don't rush the passer are no longer "cogs" like they once were.

[panthers55]

I'll tell you what 55.

You keep thinking that drafting 43 LB's is the way to success, and I will continue to think like successful NFL football front offices.

How many successful front offices have you worked in so you know how they think?? How many GMs have you interviewed lately.
What I think is that the Panthers need to upgrade their linebacker corps to account for Davis and Beason's issues. I m not ignorant enough to assume I know what all successful front offices think or need. In fact I am not even sure I know what Hurney an Rivera think or need. At least I am intelligent enough to know that. .

[thefuzz]

How many successful front offices have you worked in so you know how they think?? How many GMs have you interviewed lately.
What I think is that the Panthers need to upgrade their linebacker corps to account for Davis and Beason's issues. I m not ignorant enough to assume I know what all successful front offices think or need. In fact I am not even sure I know what Hurney an Rivera think or need. At least I am intelligent enough to know that. .

I know that you don't see many of the successful teams drafting RB and ILB high in the draft, especially not in the top 10.

Do I need to interview Jerry Reese to know that he does not value MLB nearly as much as you and Hurney seem to?

Nope....just look at his draft history.

[panthers55]

Kearse ws the NT and his job was to command double teams and clog up the middle, which he did a ok job at. he wasnt on the field to collect sacks.

Kearse ws the NT and his job was to command double teams and clog up the middle, which he did a ok job at. he wasnt on the field to collect sacks.

Actually Kearse played at the 1 and the 3 technique, they rotated guys in at both positions as they were trying to figure who gave them the best matchups. Shirley rotated in at NT as well but that didn't stop him from getting penetration. Kearse was fine I was just pointing out that he was not better than Shirley or Neblett.

[cotblock]

Then you should see plenty of ILB's going in the first, as there are 2 more ILB's when playing the 34.

What it means is that the positions value is diminishing in todays NFL.

Go back and take a look at how often RB was drafted really high in the past...like say 30 years, and compare it to today. Same can be said for LB.

Order of importance goes a little something like this: QB, DE, OT, DT, CB.

The positions that Hurney likes to draft high, and resign for major bucks is not high on that list. LB's and RB's that don't rush the passer are no longer "cogs" like they once were.

https://landof10klos...ricanalysis-nf/

Summary: A metric analysis drawn from a weighted scale whereby points are given for SB wins, SB appearances, playoff wins, playoff appearances, etc... and cross-referenced with players voted as All-pro. Conclusion: Most important positions in today's NFL are in order, QB, C, S, ILB, OLB, CB, OG, DT, WR, DE, OT, TE, RB.