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The Case For Coples At 9...

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Lineman will most likely be BPA at our pick.

While I feel there is just as much risk with Coples as there is with Poe, I wouldn't be upset.

PC don't forget Cox.

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I haven't forgotten Cox. We have more than one Cox like DT on the roster.

While I like Cox, if the team goes DT in the first, I feel it'd be Poe.

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Being the top tanked DE and being an elite DE prospect is not the same. Coples had success playing in a 3 pt stance. All of his success came as a DT his junior year. His senior year he played with a 4 pt stance as an edge rusher and he struggled. Greg Cosell calls him a power rusher with strong hands. He doesn't have the elite quickness to get around the edge. He projects as a run stuffer. Not a pass rusher. I'll link a podcast were Greg talks about it on WFNZ but to paraphrase he says "He's certainly not Julius Peppers, I don't even think he's Mario Williams"

I'm sure some of you will disagree with Cosell. What do you see in Coples? All I hear is nice measurables. Poe has nice measurables. Neither of them did squat in 2011. Neither of them went up against dominant opposition.

here's the link if you care enough: http://nyc.podcast.p...WKDdHzweKaNZI08

They moved him around his Junior year and he had success both at DE and DT, They moved him around last season as well, the kid doesn't have a motor problem. He was learning a completely new defensive position that he wasn't used too. Technique takes time to learn, how to come out of different defensive stances is part of that. Also, he's not an elite DE prospect.... He's an elite defensive prospect. There's only a couple of those in this draft and he's one of those, Defensively he's the most versatile D player in this draft as well. "If he moved to DT, he'd be the only player at DT in this draft that has had a signature season" He's got the talent, size and skill set to play DT, 4-3 DE and 3-4 DE easily.

He's also got good initial burst, but doesn't get to his top end speed quickly at his current weight. He's not a prototypical NFL RE, he's bigger and stronger and not as much of a twitch player. However what he makes that up with is his skill set is his run defense and the amount of ground he can cover, even when being blocked. If Rivera wants a player that can run up front on both front's then Coples is that guy, you could play him at DE on running downs or in the 3-4 looks. Then move him to DT on passing downs.

He brings a whole lot of versatility to a defense in that he's the only player that can do all three of those well. (LE, 5 tech, DT and occasionally at RE.)

Coples said he's his own harshest critic, so he can handle the negative things said about him. And he claims to be ready to take on the duties of starring in the NFL.

"To be a professional and to be great you have to work hard all the time," he said. "And do those small things that I did, but didn't master like I think I should."

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would be a steal at 9.... no brainer there

will not fall to 9... also pretty well known

EVERY DLineman takes plays off. They are coached to. They have to. The ones they take off are typically the ones that are running away from them or the ones where they draw a double. Both of which are examples of them imposing pre-snap will on the play.

Because you see the guy going less than 100% while he watches a tailback run to the opposite sideline some of you say the guy "lacks motor". That is and will always be very stupid.

just sayin'

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This is what I don't get from people... Please tell me who this monster DT is? Please give a full resume from these dt's that stacks up to Coples versatility, athletism and potential...You can't...We signed Ron Edwards last year and used two early picks at DT theirs no way we draft one...Cople's being able to play inside is just a bonus as to what he could be.

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This is what I don't get from people... Please tell me who this monster DT is? Please give a full resume from these dt's that stacks up to Coples versatility, athletism and potential...You can't...We signed Ron Edwards last year and used two early picks at DT theirs no way we draft one...Cople's being able to play inside is just a bonus as to what he could be.

Fletcher Cox

Overall Football Traits

Production 2 "2009: (12/4) -- 29-3.5-1 2010: (12/11) -- 29-6.5-2.5 2011: (12/12) - 56-14.5-5 Career: 5 Blocked Kicks -- 2FF -- 1FR " Height-Weight-Speed 1 Excellent height and length (34.4' arms). Possesses massive hands (10.3'). A bit light in the trunk but has elite top-end speed and quickness for the position (1.66 10-yard split). Durability 2 "Missed Alcorn State game in 2010 due to ankle injury, which slowed him in several other games. Started all 12 games that he played in 2011. " Intangibles 3 Was one of five players suspended for 2011 season-opener vs. Memphis for violating team rules. But really matured during his final season at Mississippi State. Improved dedication off the field (weight room and film room) translated to improved production on the field in 2011.

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal

Defensive Tackle Specific Traits

Versus the Run 2 "Fires out of stance and is strong enough to hold ground in most one-on-one situations when he keeps pad level. Has a powerful upper body and quick, strong hands. Showed much improved awareness in 2011. Can stack and shed in time to make plays at the line of scrimmage. Very good range for a defensive tackle and makes more plays outside the tackle box than most at his position. However, he needs to play with more consistent leverage versus the run. He's not big enough to anchor against double-teams when he doesn't stay low. Gets washed down the line of scrimmage by angle blocks a little too much. Does a better job extending arms and controlling the gap in a five-technique than he does inside at DT, where he's more effective when shooting a gap and trying to disrupt in the backfield. " Pass Rush Skills 2 "Explosive bull-rusher that can collapse the pocket whether he's lined up on the inside or the outside. Can be very effective as a bull-rusher when he stays low. Effective hand-fighter that flashes rip and pull moves. Just average lateral mobility and isn't going to get many offensive linemen off balance with side-to-side moves. Is versatile and can play all along the DL, but best pass-rush potential in NFL is inside. " Quickness (hands/feet) 1 Active and violent hands. Very quick first step. Is quick enough to shoot gaps and make plays in the backfield. Toughness/Motor 2 "Relentless might be an overstatement, but overall motor is very good. Doesn't give up when he fails to win with first move. Not quite as thick or strong as Corey Luigit (Chargers), but shares a lot of similarities in terms of motor and versatility. Pursues hard from behind when there's even a slight chance of getting back into the play. He's a tempo setter up front. Plays with an edge and isn't afraid to get in opponents' faces. "

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal

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I have tried to get on board the Coples bandwagon, but I just can't. I suppose if he's the pick I'll have to live with it and I will support it, but TBH I really would rather us look elsewhere.

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would be a steal at 9.... no brainer there

will not fall to 9... also pretty well known

EVERY DLineman takes plays off. They are coached to. They have to. The ones they take off are typically the ones that are running away from them or the ones where they draw a double. Both of which are examples of them imposing pre-snap will on the play.

Because you see the guy going less than 100% while he watches a tailback run to the opposite sideline some of you say the guy "lacks motor". That is and will always be very stupid.

just sayin'

That is absolute horse sh!t. You play 100% when you are on the field or you don't play at all. They rest and 'take plays off' when they are out of the rotation.

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I've been on the bandwagon for a while now.... he's a solid pick at # 9 and just imagining him lining up with Charles johnson on the D-Line makes me get excited.

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I trust that our coaching staff and FO will do their due diligence on Coples. Just like with Cam, I trust they will make the correct decision....no matter what they decide.

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Being the top tanked DE and being an elite DE prospect is not the same. Coples had success playing in a 3 pt stance. All of his success came as a DT his junior year. His senior year he played with a 4 pt stance as an edge rusher and he struggled. Greg Cosell calls him a power rusher with strong hands. He doesn't have the elite quickness to get around the edge. He projects as a run stuffer. Not a pass rusher. I'll link a podcast were Greg talks about it on WFNZ but to paraphrase he says "He's certainly not Julius Peppers, I don't even think he's Mario Williams"

I'm sure some of you will disagree with Cosell. What do you see in Coples? All I hear is nice measurables. Poe has nice measurables. Neither of them did squat in 2011. Neither of them went up against dominant opposition.

here's the link if you care enough: http://nyc.podcast.p...WKDdHzweKaNZI08

how is 7.5 sacks and 15 tfl not doing squat?his sacks production went down but he still was ever so present in the backfield while playing a new position RDE.

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