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#76 jdpanther5

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

Who falls under the Salary Cap?
Answer: The "Team Salary" falls under the Salary Cap. Team salary includes the amount a team must pay its current or former players under their player contracts. Notice emphasis on the word PLAYERS. The salary cap does not apply to coaches, assistants, trainers, and other personnel. Only the top 51 player salaries for a team count against the salary cap in the offseason. (Outstanding tenders apply.) During the season, all player salaries count toward the salary cap. Question 1.5 How does the NFL Draft impact the Salary Cap?
Answer: Team salary includes the Rookie Minimum Active Salary as of the day of the draft for all drafted rookies. The salary for drafted rookies will stay at this amount until the player is signed, the team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season if the player remains unsigned. Note also that there is a Rookie Salary Cap, which is a subset of the overall cap. Each team has its own unique Rookie Salary Cap, based on the number of draft picks they have and where in each round the picks occurred.


This is the key part...the rookie cap is separate from the other salaries. I remember when it was reported that Newton was offered more money, but it would have been taken from the other rookies. Basically each player has a dollar amount associated with their draft position, and when all the pick values are added up the teams can distribute the money however they want. Frankly, I don't understand why they don't just make it so guys get paid according to draft position, instead of a separate cap for all of them.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

So you guys that are only going to be happy once the numbers are released are going to be pissed if Hurney overpaid? fug that noise. To put my mind at ease that I'm not gonna have to go through with Smitty what I went through when Pep left is worth a billion of JR's dollars.

The only question now is what pose will he be doing for his statue? I vote x clown.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

That would be cool, but I'd like something that was more reflective of the good times like...

A double statue with Smitty and Ken Lucas. Ken Lucas sitting on one knee and, well, you know the rest...

OR

Smitty changing the ball's diaper.

Those would be awesome statues.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

And people were worried about the cap. Inbeforedeangelosawfulcontractreference.


umm....this helps make more cap room

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

This is the key part...the rookie cap is separate from the other salaries. I remember when it was reported that Newton was offered more money, but it would have been taken from the other rookies. Basically each player has a dollar amount associated with their draft position, and when all the pick values are added up the teams can distribute the money however they want. Frankly, I don't understand why they don't just make it so guys get paid according to draft position, instead of a separate cap for all of them.


Right but the money rookies are paid still contributes to your overall team salary cap according to that information and everything else I've looked at from my google search. It even says all drafted players count the rookie minimum to the salary cap until their either signed, released, or their rights are forfeited. So my understanding of this information is that rookie salaries do count against the cap...

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

So you guys that are only going to be happy once the numbers are released are going to be pissed if Hurney overpaid? fug that noise. To put my mind at ease that I'm not gonna have to go through with Smitty what I went through when Pep left is worth a billion of JR's dollars.

The only question now is what pose will he be doing for his statue? I vote x clown.


So if Hurney overpays yet another player....it won't bother you? I am happy with Smitty...doesn't mean Hurney can pay him whatever and it be a smart move.

Smith needed to be extended....but overpaying everyone will have it's consequences/negatives for this team (and already has)

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:13 AM

So if Hurney overpays yet another player....it won't bother you?

Smith needed to be extended....but overpaying everyone will have it's consequences/negatives for this team (and already has)


Not if said player is Steve Smith, wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

Right but the money rookies are paid still contributes to your overall team salary cap according to that information and everything else I've looked at from my google search. It even says all drafted players count the rookie minimum to the salary cap until their either signed, released, or their rights are forfeited. So my understanding of this information is that rookie salaries do count against the cap...


I guess technically it does count...but every team has a unique number based on the picks, so it's not like rookie picks would restrict us. Throwing arbitrary numbers out there: but say the cap was 120 million and we drafted guys totaling another 20 million and say, the Eagles, drafted guys worth 30 million. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems as though we'd have 140 million and the Eagles would have 150, but we would both only have the 120 to spend on other players (non-rookies). Not sure what to make of the rookie minimum part though, don't know if that's against the rookie cap or the overall cap.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

He needed to extended, no doubt. However this is why being so close to the cap is not a good thing generally. When they put themselves in that situation it makes it very clear to a player like Smith and his agent that the team needs to restructure for the short term. It puts all the leverage into the hands of the player.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

Not if said player is Steve Smith, wouldn't bother me in the slightest.


Ok.

To me, it is simply pointless to pay guys what they have no chance to make outside of Carolina. You do that with too many players and limits how good you can make your overall team. Why is it cool if we drastically overpay an aging WR and not others?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:23 AM

umm....this helps make more cap room


Duh? Sarcastic post was sarcastic.

#88 Montsta

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:24 AM

Ok.

To me, it is simply pointless to pay guys what they have no chance to make outside of Carolina. You do that with too many players and limits how good you can make your overall team. Why is it cool if we drastically overpay an aging WR and not others?


Because Steve Smith is hands down the greatest player this franchise has ever had, and even if you overpay for him, it's not like it's going to hurt you forever. He's gonna be done at the end of the contract anyway, so if we pay a million or two more than we should have for a couple years, it keeps our young franchise QB's favorite target around, buys us time to not be forced into reaching to draft a replacement for him, and really only stops us from spending that extra couple of million on some FA that isn't going to end up being worth it anyway.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

I can't believe you ho's are in here complaining about signing Smitty to an extension. I read the headline and thought I'd come here to celebrate with my fellow Panthers fans. Smitty will be a Panther for life. He'll be the first truly great player that the Panthers drafted out of college that spends his entire career here. Bringing down his cap number for this year helps too. Get your heads out of your asses and be happy for once.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:32 AM

Because Steve Smith is hands down the greatest player this franchise has ever had, and even if you overpay for him, it's not like it's going to hurt you forever. He's gonna be done at the end of the contract anyway, so if we pay a million or two more than we should have for a couple years, it keeps our young franchise QB's favorite target around, buys us time to not be forced into reaching to draft a replacement for him, and really only stops us from spending that extra couple of million on some FA that isn't going to end up being worth it anyway.


Yeah, but paying guys for what they have done isn't a great practice.

and if you overpay Smith and large number of players are overpaid on the same roster.....it does clearly hurt the overall team for the immediate future.

Hopefully they did give him a comparable deal to Wayne so that it will be a moot issue


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