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#1 Lout

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

I watched both players in their respective games vs the National Champs, Alabama. I broke down every single play for both players to learn their strengths, weaknesses and to see if their motor started to dwindle when they were losing big.

I wanted to see what position each player primarily played, ie. 3 tech, 5 tech, 1 tech, or the zero.
Where do they excel, and how they will fit in our scheme. Defensive lineman stats are misleading to me, so I wanted to look for impact plays. Those stats are not recorded. How many plays did the DT penetrate, causing the QB throw and incomplete pass, or interception, or broke a double team that caused the RB to re-direct. Those are impact plays.

My results were interesting, and not what I expected.

Brockers - 42 defensive plays
Cox - 41 defensive plays

The sample size is almost identical, but Brockers does have 1 special teams play where he blocked a FG attempt.

Cox is purely a 3-tech in our base scheme and 5-tech in passing downs.
Brockers is a lot more versatile, as he played 4 different positions in that single game but is primarily a NT.

0-tech = 4
1-tech = 23
3-tech = 11
5-tech = 4
  • Brockers was double teamed 20 times, while Cox was doubled 16 times.
  • Brockers made 17 impact plays, while Cox had 10 impact plays
  • Brockers played consistently throughout the game, while Cox significantly declined the last 6 plays
  • Brockers was much more aware on diagnosing plays than Cox
  • Cox overran several plays because he was too aggressive
Brockers has better stamina, but Cox has the better motor. Cox has a very impressive motor. Brockers is the better player right now, and more disciplined.
  • Brockers made 3/11 impact plays while at 3-tech
  • Brockers made 13/27 impact plays while at 1-tech or 0-tech
  • Cox made 6/29 impact plays while at 3-tech
  • Cox made 4/11 impact plays while at 5-tech
In conclusion, Brockers is definitely the better player. He is amazing against the run, and gets double teamed on half pass attempts.
Cox is the better pass rusher but overruns plays due to his aggressiveness too often. Not a heady player, but he gives 110% all the time even when tired. Not effective late in game. He was amazing the first 11 snaps.. so he may be a great rotational pass rusher in the beginning of his career. Don't take the word amazing lightly. He graded out A or B on 10/12 of his first snaps.

Brockers plays the same position as Ron Edwards, so I am not sure he is a 'need' for us. Cox is a rare talent that is very quick and can be an amazing pass rush specialist early in his career. I don't see him as an every down player (right now). If we are looking for a guy who can put pressure on the QB, then we go Cox, if we are looking for a dominating inside presence to stop the run, then Brockers is our man. But, clearly Brockers is the better player overall.

I would upload my excel spreadsheet, but for some reason it says "You are not permitted to upload this kind of file"

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:22 PM

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:25 PM

I would upload my excel spreadsheet, but for some reason it says "You are not permitted to upload this kind of file"


Do a print screen

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:35 PM

Do a print screen


Great idea. You sir, are a problem solver.

How he hell do I post an image off my desktop?

Normally there is a paperclip icon.. but I don't see it anywhere.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:11 PM

Beside the post button there is a More Reply Option


click on it and you'll see it

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:14 PM

Breakdown is good But I don't agree with Cox not being a every down player.

1. You must remeber looking at the games Miss. State offense did nothing and put the defense in alot of bad position. Plus Miss. State was pretty much out of the game by the start of the 4th qrt. If it wasn't for the defense then Miss. State would have been blown out. LSU were in closer games there offense stayed on the field longer and didn't turn the ball over like Miss. State offense did.

2. You can't just watch 1 game and make such a indepht opinion.

3. Again I like both player and would be happier with either one. I just think this Idea of Brockers having more upside is a little missplaced.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:26 PM

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

This is the conclusion I have come to as well.

I want Brockers, dude will be a BEAST DT in the league.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:33 PM

It wont let me attach the Cox file. It says it's too big to upload. I need 25kb more. Can a mod help me with that?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Do we really need three pass rushers on the Dline. Both Brockers and Edwards occupying two Brockers not only shuts down the middle but allows charles johnson and greg hardy to be one on one. It allows Beason, Anderson, And TD to run all around the field. Brockers allows us too run a hybrid 3-4 with him and shirley on the ends and charles johnson and or Antwan Applewhite rushing of the edge. Plus Brockers has better rush moves than cox with the exception of the spin. A better body. Gets high in his blocks and still holds up to double teams. And my last point.... Cox only has 3.5 more sacks then Brockers... Good grief.... Once he gets coached up I guarantee he will have the better career. Playoffs 2013... Superbowl 2014.... Don't get me wrong i don't hate cox but if Brockers played for Mississippi State and got that many reps we wouldn't be having this conversation.....