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Brockers Vs Cox

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If you are worried about this year, you pick Cox. If you are looking down the road, Brockers will continue to grow and get bigger and stronger.

Everything I have read is that Rivera wants an impact player now. So he either goes Cox or goes in a different direction all together. The fact that he looked at so many DTs throughout the draft suggests he is interested in the position. Hard to say though. If we are looking to draft down as many folks suggest, then it won't be Cox although he would give us the ability to trade down rather well.

If Brockers falls then he could be a very strong consideration later in the first round.

To say that Brockers will be better than Cox in the long run, isn't necessarily founded upon any facts. Fletcher has more athleticism than Cox, and his technique can only get better.... You can look at it in that regard as well. I consider both of them full of potential.

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Firstly, both of these guys have tons of potential, I would say Cox has the most. He is so freaking quick. Brockers had a worse combine by far than Cox...Cox had an impressive combine. But, both of these guys are full of potential, I think Brockers would help our run right off the bat, while Cox would wreak havoc on the pass rush in the beginning. It is preference really.... Brockers and Edwards are similiar players, AKA Cox would probably be best to pick up in our situation.... I think it is harder to find someone with the skill set of Cox than Brockers.

I don't really know if the combine is the indicator of potential. Brockers has a poor combine as far as strength goes, but he still holds up well against SEC interior lineman double teaming him. His lower body strength has to be impressive in order for the tape to show what it does.

Edwards is old and coming off of an injury. Carolina just invested in McClain, a penetrating guy who hasn't developed yet. I feel like he fills the role that Cox would come into, and then never be able to develop fully here.

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I don't really know if the combine is the indicator of potential. Brockers has a poor combine as far as strength goes, but he still holds up well against SEC interior lineman double teaming him. His lower body strength has to be impressive in order for the tape to show what it does.

Edwards is old and coming off of an injury. Carolina just invested in McClain, a penetrating guy who hasn't developed yet. I feel like he fills the role that Cox would come into, and then never be able to develop fully here.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say that the combine was a showing of potential, I just was making the point that he had horrible speed, horrible vertical jump.... Just a poor showing of athletic ability at the combine...He also put on over 15 pounds during the offseason. I am not saying he won't be good, but there are some red flags.... He is also coming out of LSU, where Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson initially flopped in the NFL. They did do better this past year though.

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To say that Brockers will be better than Cox in the long run, isn't necessarily founded upon any facts. Fletcher has more athleticism than Cox, and his technique can only get better.... You can look at it in that regard as well. I consider both of them full of potential.

What you have to do is compare then at the same point in time. Compare Brocker's stats this year with Cox's last year. Brockers has less experience and is still growing into his body. He came in as a freshman at 250 lbs and was a defensive end. He gains almost 60 lbs and you don't think he has some adjustment to grow into his body and wouldn't get better with time.

He reminds me of a 12 year old who puts on 20 lbs and has to redevelop his athletic potential as he grows. Brockers put on 60 lbs over 2 years to play DT and you think he doesn't have to learn to adjust to that?? He should have stayed in school. He would have been the best DT by far next year.

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What you have to do is compare then at the same point in time. Compare Brocker's stats this year with Cox's last year. Brockers has less experience and is still growing into his body. He came in as a freshman at 250 lbs and was a defensive end. He gains almost 60 lbs and you don't think he has some adjustment to grow into his body and wouldn't get better with time.

He reminds me of a 12 year old who puts on 20 lbs and has to redevelop his athletic potential as he grows. Brockers put on 60 lbs over 2 years to play DT and you think he doesn't have to learn to adjust to that?? He should have stayed in school. He would have been the best DT by far next year.

Which means that we will have gotten the best DT by far next year and still have a frist round pick..... hello!

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I so want Brockers on our team.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to say that the combine was a showing of potential, I just was making the point that he had horrible speed, horrible vertical jump.... Just a poor showing of athletic ability at the combine...He also put on over 15 pounds during the offseason. I am not saying he won't be good, but there are some red flags.... He is also coming out of LSU, where Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson initially flopped in the NFL. They did do better this past year though.

I read this and all I see is "he isn't a star-in-shorts and previous LSU picks weren't good so we he has red flags". All I can say is if you're judging prospects on combine performance and previous players from his school, that's simply ignorant. These two factors are probably the two LEAST indicative of how someone is going to turn out possible. Brockers is going to be good, bet on it. Not running fast and not benching much at the combine and Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson will not stop him.

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I read this and all I see is "he isn't a star-in-shorts and previous LSU picks weren't good so we he has red flags". All I can say is if you're judging prospects on combine performance and previous players from his school, that's simply ignorant. These two factors are probably the two LEAST indicative of how someone is going to turn out possible. Brockers is going to be good, bet on it. Not running fast and not benching much at the combine and Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson will not stop him.

I said I wasn't judging his complete ability by this... I was saying, those are definitely red flags... Dorsey was better in college, and he still has only proved to be mediocre, or slightly above. Brockers is a hoss, and if you had read my previous posts, I would have made it clear that I thought he had both potential and talent.

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Fair enough. I didn't go back and reread the rest of this thread after reading that to refresh my memory :) I just think so many people overvalue the combine it's not even funny.

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Just herd an interesting comparison, Fletcher Cox could be the next Kevin Williams, Michael Brockers Could be the next John Henderson! We dont go wrong with either. But if we trade down with the Cowboys for a third round pick we can still pick up either of the two!

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