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Why Are We So Bad With Our 2Nd Round Picks?


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#1 jarhead

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

The average bust rate is 50% in the 2nd round in the NFL while ours is about 80% unless you want to include Marshall and Martin as a success then we are about average..My guess is we have deviated from the BPA and drafted for a need.I have also linked a study that is a bit outdated but still relevant.Who in this years 2nd round is a sure thing and should we draft them?
http://walterfootbal...tology408_2.php
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:Armanti Edwards (2011)
Jimmy Clausen (2010)
Ryan Kalil
Sherrod Martin (2009)
packed in a deal to get Jeff Otah (2008)
Dwayne Jarrett (2007)
Richard Marshall (2006)
Eric Shelton (2005)
Keary Colbert (2004)
Bruce Nelson (2003)
DeShaun Foster (2002)


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:05 AM

because they are the highest picks hurney is willing to make major gambles with. he is very good in the first round.

fwiw clausen made sense as a pick. sherrod martin looked like a sure thing and only started to nosedive last year. dwayne jarrett would've been snatched up by somebody else, as he was highly touted nearly unanimously as an excellent choice. marshall was effective for us for years.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

bad luck

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

At some point you have to question due diligence but I tend to agree with csx, bad luck.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

bad luck

Could be with the exception of A Edwards

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:20 AM

Its probably cause we put more time in the first pick and tbh our 1st Rounders are safe picks. Its why we don't have many impact players.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

Interesting that Hurney just said that the reason they have been more successful with the 1st over the 2nd that they stuck to the drafting philosophy of Best player available.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:46 AM

The Armanti trade was seriously stupid though. Choosing him wasn't a bad thing, but he could've been a 4th/5th round pick.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

The Armanti trade was seriously stupid though. Choosing him wasn't a bad thing, but he could've been a 4th/5th round pick.

I agree

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:56 AM

look at the Ravens 2nd rounders over the past few years, and consider that all of these were toward the very end of the 2nd. All of them after our selections I believe.

2011. Torrey Smith
2010. Terrence Cody
2009. Paul Kruger
2008. Ray Rice

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:04 PM

look at the Ravens 2nd rounders over the past few years, and consider that all of these were toward the very end of the 2nd. All of them after our selections I believe.

2011. Torrey Smith
2010. Terrence Cody
2009. Paul Kruger
2008. Ray Rice

Pretty impressive ........we need to get it right this year.I think there will be starting caliber talent when we pick and would feel better going that route versus reaching for a position of need.I am worried about the cb position in the 2nd.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:05 PM

and to answer the OP, it's the same reason any team doesn't draft well... poor scouting/evaluation

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

ryan kalil /thread

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:10 PM

I wouldn't call Foster a bust. Sure he fumbled a bunch and near the end here, we all hated him, but he was crucial to our Superbowl run and that TD against Philly will always be one of the best plays in Panther history. Not to mention his epic dive into the endzone in the Superbowl.

Marshall wasn't a bust, as he was almost a solid starter for us.

It's too early to call Martin a bust yet. Sometimes you have a down year. Before all of us were slurping Gamble this year, most were highly critical of his down years... Just saying.

JC and DJ are pure poo, along with Shelton. JC and DJ were BPA while Shelton was an outlier deviation as we went with the need to find a power back to replace Davis, and Hurney was blinded by that and deviated from BPA. Also, minus round 1, 2005 might have been our lousiest draft class.

EB trade was horrible and inexcusable. The FO really was blinded by the need to gain leverage over Pep and made a foolish decision.

Kalil was a grand slam though.

After the first round, it's really a crapshoot when you're adding talent. Look at NE and their millions of 2nd round picks in the same timeframe. Most of them haven't panned out either. Hell, half of the teams drafting in the first round draft mega busts, when we haven't fuged up a 1st round pick in a long time (EB doesn't count).

Bruce Nelson doesn't count because of his severe degenerative injury, which you can't really predict based off of his collegiate resume. Just bad luck.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:13 PM

I wouldn't call Foster a bust. Sure he fumbled a bunch and near the end here, we all hated him, but he was crucial to our Superbowl run and that TD against Philly will always be one of the best plays in Panther history. Not to mention his epic dive into the endzone in the Superbowl.

Marshall wasn't a bust, as he was almost a solid starter for us.

It's too early to call Martin a bust yet. Sometimes you have a down year. Before all of us were slurping Gamble this year, most were highly critical of his down years... Just saying.

JC and DJ are pure poo, along with Shelton. JC and DJ were BPA while Shelton was an outlier deviation as we went with the need to find a power back to replace Davis, and Hurney was blinded by that and deviated from BPA. Also, minus round 1, 2005 might have been our lousiest draft class.

EB trade was horrible and inexcusable. The FO really was blinded by the need to gain leverage over Pep and made a foolish decision.

Kalil was a grand slam though.

After the first round, it's really a crapshoot when you're adding talent. Look at NE and their millions of 2nd round picks in the same timeframe. Most of them haven't panned out either. Hell, half of the teams drafting in the first round draft mega busts, when we haven't fuged up a 1st round pick in a long time (EB doesn't count).

Bruce Nelson doesn't count because of his severe degenerative injury, which you can't really predict based off of his collegiate resume. Just bad luck.


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