132 replies to this topic

[nickzz]

he reminds me of terrell owens(not with his attitude but with the way he plays)

lol wut

[CarolinaNut]

lol wut

what part of my post do you not understand?

[unicar15]

I would be Pissed if he takes this risk even with a trade back. A lot of raw ability but no college production. I see no difference between Hill and Poe. Except Poe plays a Position of greater need.

I'm not saying that it would be a good idea...I'm saying that Hurney wants to make sure.

[DaCityKats]

kk that was more so because of the offense they ran. vs UVA they only threw the ball 8 times and 10 vs Va tech.teams knew that offense will only throw 3 different route combos but yet he was still able to get over 800 yards.and his qb was not a good passer, he had like 49 passer rating so you have take those things into account.

[nickzz]

what part of my post do you not understand?

oh i understand it. just wondering where you drew that comparison.

[megadeth078]

We need to give Cam weapons. We can't get the number 1 quarterback in the draft one season, then not bring back his weapons the next (Shockey). If we really want to commit to improving our passing game, we need to follow up on drafting Cam, not just wait and see how things play out. I know our defense needs help, but everyone seems to think that our offense will be stupid good for the next decade or two because of the results of one season. If we want our offense to grow and give Smitty some help and find his eventual replacement, I wouldn't mind doing it now rather than later. Is Stephen Hill that guy? I dunno, but it's sure as hell better than a Kendall Wright. The only defensive stud that is likely to be at #9 is Kuechly. I don't doubt at all that Rivera can groom linebackers that aren't first round picks. If he can't turn later-round picks into good players, then what is he here for? Yes, defense first. Emphasizing defense this offseason does not have to mean getting one with our first rounder though.

[koolkatluke]

kk that was more so because of the offense they ran. vs UVA they only threw the ball 8 times and 10 vs Va tech.teams knew that offense will only throw 3 different route combos but yet he was still able to get over 800 yards.and his qb was not a good passer, he had like 49 passer rating so you have take those things into account.

That is a BS excuse. If you have a weapon you use that weapon no matter what offense you run. You find ways to get the ball in his hands. I would have a problem drafting Randy Moss if he only had 23 rec. the season he was coming out.
Even if you give him that excuse the offense he ran in college makes it hard to believe that he can come in and make a Impact like you want a 1st round picked to do. He didn't run any pro routes. He didn't have to learn how to get off the line of scrimmage. Right now he is just a raw lump of Clay that would take atleast a year before he is ready to make a impact on this team. Not what you want in a 1st or 2nd round pick.

[Mage]

Right now he is just a raw lump of Clay that would take atleast a year before he is ready to make a impact on this team. Not what you want in a 1st or 2nd round pick.

So you would pass up on his potential in the 2nd round just because he wouldn't be able to perform at a high level in his first year? Lol, right.

I can understand that logic in the first. But come on. All you are doing is thinking short term, not long term. Just because a guy may take awhile to develop doesn't mean you should pass on them in the 2nd. As a matter of fact, the 2nd round is where guys like Poe, Gilmore, etc. should go.

[koolkatluke]

So you would pass up on his potential in the 2nd round just because he wouldn't be able to perform at a high level in his first year? Lol, right.

I can understand that logic in the first. But come on. All you are doing is thinking short term, not long term. Just because a guy may take awhile to develop doesn't mean you should pass on them in the 2nd. As a matter of fact, the 2nd round is where guys like Poe, Gilmore, etc. should go.

Times have change my friend. Now teams who have 2 top 50 picks(like us)you want both of them to be competing for starting spots.


You can't have a philosophy of building thru the draft and drafting Projects in the 1st or 2nd round.

[DaCityKats]

That is a BS excuse. If you have a weapon you use that weapon no matter what offense you run. You find ways to get the ball in his hands. I would have a problem drafting Randy Moss if he only had 23 rec. the season he was coming out.
Even if you give him that excuse the offense he ran in college makes it hard to believe that he can come in and make a Impact like you want a 1st round picked to do. He didn't run any pro routes. He didn't have to learn how to get off the line of scrimmage. Right now he is just a raw lump of Clay that would take atleast a year before he is ready to make a impact on this team. Not what you want in a 1st or 2nd round pick.

not an excuse, if your team runs the ball 90% of the time and you are a WR.again he didnt run pro routes because of the offense and the skillset is there for him to translate to the next level. he would have an impact on any team next because he can get vertical down the field, and you cant deny that.

[koolkatluke]

not an excuse, if your team runs the ball 90% of the time and you are a WR.again he didnt run pro routes because of the offense and the skillset is there for him to translate to the next level. he would have an impact on any team next because he can get vertical down the field, and you cant deny that.

If that was true then Darius Hey -wardBay would have been a impact in his 1st season (which he wasn't). Just because you played in a run 1st system doesn't mean you get a pass on horrible production. Again If your such a great weapon for a team they find ways to get the ball in your hand. It would be stupid not to.

Even if you give him a pass because of the offense he ran in college. You can't think that helps him make the transition to the pro's.
It will take him a year alone to learn the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to run the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to get off the line scrimmage.

Then he has to learn how to get open with all the different coverages defense throw at you and you have to learn how to recognize them before the snap.

All this before just catching the ball. If he hadn't done any of this in college then we're talking about atleast 2 - 3 years before you see him making a impact.

We can't afford to pick a player in the 1st or 2nd round who has 2 years before he makes a impact.

[LinvilleGorge]

I'd be fine with Hill in the 2cd if he was there. I expect his measurables will get him into the bottom of the 1st round, but unless we work out some sort of trade down that landed us two #1s (Cleveland or NE?), I wouldn't want him there.

He didn't have production in college because GT runs the triple option. They just don't throw the ball. He made the most out of his few opportunities. He's definitely a big play, stretch the field guy. He's a little raw due to the offense he played in, but I like him as a player. He's not Calvin Johnson, but I think he's every bit as as good as Demaryius Thomas. Thomas struggled early in his career which was predictable giving the system he came out of, but he started coming into his own late last season and with Manning at the helm now, he very well may blow up this coming season.

[koolkatluke]

I'd be fine with Hill in the 2cd if he was there. I expect his measurables will get him into the bottom of the 1st round, but unless we work out some sort of trade down that landed us two #1s (Cleveland or NE?), I wouldn't want him there.

He didn't have production in college because GT runs the triple option. They just don't throw the ball. He made the most out of his few opportunities. He's definitely a big play, stretch the field guy. He's a little raw due to the offense he played in, but I like him as a player. He's not Calvin Johnson, but I think he's every bit as as good as Demaryius Thomas. Thomas struggled early in his career which was predictable giving the system he came out of, but he started coming into his own late last season and with Manning at the helm now, he very well may blow up this coming season.

Thomas Had the same stats as Brandon Lafell and (and Lafell wasn't the number 1,2 or 3 option in the passing game Thomas was) we are already talking about drafting another wr.

[koolkatluke]

If that was true then Darius Hey -wardBay would have been a impact in his 1st season (which he wasn't). Just because you played in a run 1st system doesn't mean you get a pass on horrible production. Again If your such a great weapon for a team they find ways to get the ball in your hand. It would be stupid not to.

Even if you give him a pass because of the offense he ran in college. You can't think that helps him make the transition to the pro's.
It will take him a year alone to learn the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to run the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to get off the line scrimmage.

Then he has to learn how to get open with all the different coverages defense throw at you and you have to learn how to recognize them before the snap.

All this before just catching the ball. If he hadn't done any of this in college then we're talking about atleast 2 - 3 years before you see him making a impact.

We can't afford to pick a player in the 1st or 2nd round who has 2 years before he makes a impact.

I forgot terminology and his playbook which is another thing he will need to learn before he makes a impact.

[DaCityKats]

If that was true then Darius Hey -wardBay would have been a impact in his 1st season (which he wasn't). Just because you played in a run 1st system doesn't mean you get a pass on horrible production. Again If your such a great weapon for a team they find ways to get the ball in your hand. It would be stupid not to.

Even if you give him a pass because of the offense he ran in college. You can't think that helps him make the transition to the pro's.
It will take him a year alone to learn the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to run the route tree.

Then he has to learn how to get off the line scrimmage.

Then he has to learn how to get open with all the different coverages defense throw at you and you have to learn how to recognize them before the snap.

All this before just catching the ball. If he hadn't done any of this in college then we're talking about atleast 2 - 3 years before you see him making a impact.

We can't afford to pick a player in the 1st or 2nd round who has 2 years before he makes a impact.

smh different situation. you calling a guy that had 800+ yards rec in triple option offense horrible production than you are not translating the skills or looking at the offense. that team only threw the ball 160 times all year.thats like when people claimed Cam was in a 1 read system, but its about you making the most of your opportunities. it will be a learning curve, but that is expected with any rookie. not many WRs run a pro tree in college. he could be the guy that allows smitty to run those underneth routes while he(Hill) gets vertical on a defense.you know he can and will block down field being he is from Ga Tech, he know to be a nard worker, and you see the speed to get vertical. we understand you dont want to draft a WR early but the skill level is there for this guy to be really good.