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Kirkpatrick Vs. Gilmore

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That wasn't a comparison of Cam to Jenkins. It was a relation of the fact that they both had baggage, although not identical, baggage none the less. Making a point that we too Cam with HIS baggage because he interviewed well. They saw something or multiple somethings that they felt they could harness. If they get the same vibe from Jenkins, we'd sign him.

I'm not sure you realize what kind of baggage Jenkins has. Cam had more hypothesized baggage, and people saying his dad wanted money for him to play some place.... Jenkins has DUI's, multiple marijuana charges, terrible interviews with teams, was FIRED by his agent, the list goes on. His baggage is over the top, and I wouldn't want him on our team with so many young guys...... Dre and Gilmore all the way.

Gilmore is such an athlete, he even ran his 40 in .1 seconds faster than Dre at the combine, that's quite a bit. Even though Dre is taller, Gilmore has a higher vert and longer arms. If you are going on pure measurables, Gilmore beats Dre in every aspect of the game. I also like his ball skills more than Dre. They both played in the SEC against top ranked opponents, so its a really tough call, but Gilmore, unquestionably, has better athletic ability.

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Maybe I'm a little cynical. Most people that get hit with DUIs got away dozens of times before getting caught. That's just reality. People try drugs for the first time when they are in high school or freshman in college. No one is having their first experience with marijuana 2 months before the biggest moment of their professional careers.

I think the part that may trouble some people is your wording "marijuana can mess up your life".. as if you are comparing it to cocaine, heroine, or even alcohol.. sure, getting busted in public is both stupid and negatively impacts one's life, but people also aren't selling their body or stealing other people's property just to acquire another "high"...

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Doubt we'll them at 9 but If we able trade back few spots i'll be happy with either one, leaning toward dre more as the better cb.

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Out of the two, definitely Dre.

Dre is a physical corner and who excels with the ball in front of him. He breaks on the ball very well. He is able to diagnose plays really well. He also is a big hitter and sure tackler. I do believe his coverage isn't the greatest but it's serviceable and something that can and should be worked on.

And people keep bringing up the type of defense Bama played, that's irrelevant. Just because Bama played more man (I'm not positive they did) doesn't mean Dre is better in man. You have to watch the games to get a feel of what he excels at.

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Grab Gilmore or Kirkpatrick in the 1st and Jenkins in the 2nd. CB problems solved for the next 10 years, barring injury or OTF issues.

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Out of the two, definitely Dre.

Dre is a physical corner and who excels with the ball in front of him. He breaks on the ball very well. He is able to diagnose plays really well. He also is a big hitter and sure tackler. I do believe his coverage isn't the greatest but it's serviceable and something that can and should be worked on.

And people keep bringing up the type of defense Bama played, that's irrelevant. Just because Bama played more man (I'm not positive they did) doesn't mean Dre is better in man. You have to watch the games to get a feel of what he excels at.

Bama did NOT play more man....they were heavily zone.

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I am not saying they did.

I just don't understand the people that say Dre is better in man because Bama played more man(not saying that's what actually happened). Just because one team plays a certain system doesn't mean everyone who plays in that system is better suited for the system.

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I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.

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I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.

So you think Gilmore was a shut down CB last year?

I think his love is due more to his potential than actually on the field play

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I really, really like Kirkpatrick as a football player. I think he's going to be a darn good pro. However, I think Gilmore may be the better fit in our defensive scheme. If we want to be aggressive getting after the QB with the front 7, we need some CBs that can lock down guys in man coverage. I think Gilmore fits that bill better than Kirkpatrick.

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So you think Gilmore was a shut down CB last year?

I think his love is due more to his potential than actually on the field play

No, but I don't think Kirkpatrick was either. Gilmore is improving more steadily than Dre... Gilmore just has to improve some mechanics, like staying low to the ground in his backpedal so he can cut on the ball better.... Dre can't really improve his playing speed/ ball skills are hard to learn. That's why I prefer Gilmore. I think the Panthers do to, since I have not heard anything about Kirkpatrick coming in for a visit.

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I agree that Kirkpatrick is the better player right now, but if we're going to ask him to primarily play man, I have to wonder if he has the hip swivel to stay with quicker receivers. He's really stiff in the hips for a CB. I actually think he may be better suited to play safety in our defense. If we take him, I'll have no problem with it, but I definitely feel Gilmore is the better fit for our D.

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