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Seriously this is crazy.  Your thoughts?
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Thats an awesome piece of art, too bad they had to throw the Ron Paul koolaid in there


but they aren't even trying

[url="http://costofwar.com/en/"]http://costofwar.com/en/[/url]

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Future uses...

Amber alerts
Silver alerts
Probation/parole violations (red flags)
Speeding violations

Makes sense. Frees up police to do actual footwork in other areas. As much as I don't like monitoring, it's inevitable (red light cameras for example).

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and FEMA camps, dont forget the FEMA camps


and the bullets

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Theres no expectation of privacy in public. Technology has just caught up to that concept, that's all. I know that I am being recorded at every Panthers game I go to but it's no big deal, for example.

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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1334766970' post='1734828']
Theres no expectation of privacy in public. .
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And from a legal perspective, there never has been.

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[url="http://action.theeca.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5863"]http://action.theeca...action_KEY=5863[/url]

[quote]The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) is currently being debated by the House of Representatives and focuses on the very real issues of cyber threats and the need for greater cyber security. The legislation amends and updates the National Security Act of 1947, which doesn’t contain provisions regarding cyber crime. While this law absolutely needs to be updated, this legislation is the latest example of Congress debating technology issues, while not understanding the full implications of the legislation they’re trying to pass.

CISPA would have technology companies, like video game systems, internet service providers (ISPs) and more share your use of technology with the Government under the guise of cyber security. It’s George Orwell’s classic book 1984 right here, right now.

Here are the problems with the legislation as it stands:[list]
[*]The description of what can be shared is rather vague. So it could include your browsing history, searches and even what games you play.
[*]There aren’t any restrictions on the recipients who can receive and use that information. If this is about cyber-security, it should only be used for that.
[*]Private communications will be flowing from the private sector to the NSA. Yes, really.
[*]It broadens spying organizations’ powers with little transparency and limited public oversight.
[*]There are vague countermeasures included that allow “cyber security systems” to obtain information in order to protect networks.
[*]Websites that publish whistleblower documents could be shut down, censoring speech and the web.
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This is the government snooping into your use of the internet and technology with the help of corporations without the usual judicial process and the protections we’re guaranteed by the US Constitution. We can’t see any reason the Government needs to know how much Mass Effect you play, the maps you enjoy in Call of Duty or how many people are in your World of Warcraft Guild... Can you?[/quote]


seems relevant.


this is my issue... security, freedom and common sense are not mutually exclusive but for some reason the approach we are taking disregards that.

how is monitoring everyone's web traffic a better solution to web security than requiring crucial companies/services to update their security protocols?

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I have always said that the TSA is a big scam...and I believe they do steal, hell monday traveling out of Charlotte they jacked me for my toothpaste......a holes

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your toothpaste?




devious.

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So you lost your toothpaste and you are trying to blame it on the government? :)

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[quote name='chris999' timestamp='1334769098' post='1734935']
I think that the internet should be treated the same way as mail.
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So we should have to pay a fee every time we use it, just like the mail? I thought you young whippersnappers were all about free internet and stuff. ;)

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[quote name='Davidson Deac II' timestamp='1334769280' post='1734946']
So we should have to pay a fee every time we use it, just like the mail? I thought you young whippersnappers were all about free internet and stuff. ;)
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greeks!

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btw, you do have freedom to post on a message board, within reason. If you threaten to kill someone on a public message board, or at a protest rally, and then they end up dead, then you have no expectation of privacy. Same as its always been.

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Having toothpaste on the road is serious business :D

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If you get on the internet there will be traces of where you are coming from and have been, it's always been that way, again; technology has cought up with the process to be more efficient.

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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1334773350' post='1735078']
If you get on the internet there will be traces of where you are coming from and have been, it's always been that way, again; technology has cought up with the process to be more efficient.
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you honestly believe that things have always been this way? the government and private sector working in tandem to exploit every ounce of unprotected information available to them while simultaneously working to destroy what few protections are left?

why are we as private citizens forced to become more and more transparent in the name of profit and security while the government legislates itself into a more and more opaque institution (all supposedly for our own good?)

things haven't always been this way. i understand that some of it is just the price of doing business but this isn't happening accidentally.

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1334774777' post='1735104']
you honestly believe that things have always been this way? the government and private sector working in tandem to exploit every ounce of unprotected information available to them while simultaneously working to destroy what few protections are left?

why are we as private citizens forced to become more and more transparent in the name of profit and security while the government legislates itself into a more and more opaque institution (all supposedly for our own good?)

things haven't always been this way. i understand that some of it is just the price of doing business but this isn't happening accidentally.
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THIS!

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1334774777' post='1735104']
you honestly believe that things have always been this way? the government and private sector working in tandem to exploit every ounce of unprotected information available to them while simultaneously working to destroy what few protections are left?
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Actually there are quite a bit of protection rules in place. The laws, rules and restrictions regarding online privacy are many, and just having to learn them and any modifications that are made takes up a good portion of my time, since its my job to know this stuff these days. Gramm Leach Bliley alone (and the various decisions that have come out of it) could fill a large phonebook. And for the most part, the government doesn't give a crap about what you or I say or do online.

[quote]why are we as private citizens forced to become more and more transparent in the name of profit and security while the government legislates itself into a more and more opaque institution (all supposedly for our own good?) [/quote]
I don't agree that we are forced to become more transparent. We do it voluntarily, or sometimes because we don't understand the technology. There are some areas we have no control over (such as property record searches that are largely online now) but even there, the data was always publicly available, you just had to go to the city hall records department. Whereas now, you can do it online. The rules are the same, but the technology has made it easier.

[quote]things haven't always been this way. i understand that some of it is just the price of doing business but this isn't happening accidentally.
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Rules regarding privacy in public versus private are basically the same as they always have been. The technology is what is different. Statements made in public have never been considered private, but now the courts have to determine in an online world what is private and what is public.

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1334774777' post='1735104']
you honestly believe that things have always been this way? the government and private sector working in tandem to exploit every ounce of unprotected information available to them while simultaneously working to destroy what few protections are left?

why are we as private citizens forced to become more and more transparent in the name of profit and security while the government legislates itself into a more and more opaque institution (all supposedly for our own good?)

things haven't always been this way. i understand that some of it is just the price of doing business but this isn't happening accidentally.
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not what I was saying at all. Traffic logging has always been around, and governments have always had the ability to subpoena company records. Now it will be easier to do it and coordinate efforts with ISPs and websites to create trails of evidence.

There is no one holding a gun to your head demanding you use the internet and while I am an outspoken critic of any laws that attempt to reduce the freedom of information on the internet, the idea that somehow there will not be ways to monitor traffic is silly.

I will say I am much more concerned with the private sector using this information than government at this time at least. And that's just because it's annoying and freaky when I get ads for something I already own when I hit a web site because Google knows I've been searching for information on it.

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the proliferation of fear in America. This is what we get

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