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[DirtyMagic97]

Why did VT have a deceptive record? Because they played in the same conference that Clemson played in. You may say that too much power is given to the media, but I say your system gives too much power to a these poor conferences.

That Clemson team would not have won more than 8 games in the SEC. I don't care about "prove it on the field" if it means you are taking away a bid from a deserving team just because the Big East or ACC team won their garbage conference. I don't know of anyone who watches college football that would even begin to compare the challenges of playing an SEC, Pac 12, Big 10, or even Big 12 conference schedule vs. that of an ACC schedule. Which is clearly evidenced by the fact that I'm pretty sure West Virginia is still scoring on Clemson.

[cavic7585]

Because alot of it depends on where you start out. In your scenario a team that starts outside of the top 25 regardless of conference will not have enough pull to make it unless it runs the table. Lets say Baylor who was not in one of your "garbage confernces" starts outside the top 25. They have 2 losses early in the season get hot and win out the rest of the year hold tiebreakers with other teams and win their conference. Only problem is they started unranked form pre-season polls and our currently ranked 11 and can not enter your new playoff system. So in affect you have only extended the problem.

[Johnny Kilroy]

Don't think if you won the Big XII with 2 losses you'd be ranked 11.

[cavic7585]

Well maybe not 11 but I could see them at 9 in that scenario if alot of teams had 2 losses. I mean it takes some teams awhile to get into the top 25. Imagine if NW had lost a couple early and then went on a streak.

[Johnny Kilroy]

And plenty of teams that are conference winners are out of the top 8 so it can go either way. I see more problems occurring with the designated conference winners getting an automatic bid.

[Nicbsbll2]

With the auto bid system you have something similar to what the NFL has. You get rewarded by winning your conference with a chance to play for the national championship. You get the best each conference has to offer plus the best of the rest (2 at large teams). You could still have your LSU vs. Alabama championship matchup, one of those teams just has to go on the road to prove it. If they can't get it done in an inferior opponents stadium then they really didn't deserve to play for the National Championship in the first place.

Plus you really get to see how each conference matches up against each other. Outside of the current BCS games you typically have bowls where the SEC #3 is playing the B1G #5 and the ACC #2 is playing the PAC 12 #6 and so on. This way you get one vs one until there is no one left.

[Johnny Kilroy]

I understand your thinking and see how you'd like to watch match ups between the conferences' s best but it doesn't solve the "problem" IMO. You talk about deserving to play for the National Championship but in your proposed playoffs there are teams that wouldn't even deserve to be in the hunt for the championship.

[cavic7585]

Thats going to be argument that you could pitch anyway. An auto-bid system is a fair system. Rarely would you get what UCLA was in the p12 south this year. Yes that would have been horrible but it didnt happen. Second how many teams are really in the hunt for a national champoinship at the end of the year. LSU, Alabama, and OSU were the 3 being talked about.

[Johnny Kilroy]

Thats going to be argument that you could pitch anyway. An auto-bid system is a fair system. Rarely would you get what UCLA was in the p12 south this year. Yes that would have been horrible but it didnt happen. Second how many teams are really in the hunt for a national champoinship at the end of the year. LSU, Alabama, and OSU were the 3 being talked about.

I'm not following.

It's not about fair it's about placing the best teams against each other to find a champion. With the auto bid system you are going to get teams that aren't in the top 8. Yes LSU, Bama, and OSU were the only ones in the talks for the NCG but if you are going to expand to 8 teams you better make sure those are the next best teams. So many people complain, "we never know if they are the best teams if it hasn't been settled on the field." So if you expand it make sure you settle it on the field with the 8 best teams. An auto bid doesn't do that.

[cavic7585]

But the problem is who decides who the best 8 teams are.

[Johnny Kilroy]

Then you are out of luck because win loss records can be inflated. And it sounds like you want to go with that.

[cavic7585]

They already are inflated. And have been. How hard was Florida's OOC schedual when FSU sucked.

[Johnny Kilroy]

Not sure what year you are referring to but they play in the SEC which is the best conference in CFB.

The inflated records come into play when judging a team using polls. It's something you have to take into account. That's why you won't see an undefeated Boise over a one loss-SEC team. You can't judge teams while taking into account an inflated record if you just base it off the records itself.

[cavic7585]

Also think how drastically different the NFL would have been with power rankings instead of confences.

[Johnny Kilroy]

But NCAAFB isn't the NFL.