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I Just Watched 6 Games Worth Of Quinton Coples Snaps...

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Just watched 6 games worth of snaps from Coples on YouTube from this year and last and I've come to one conclusion:

The guy is fuging terrible. Just awful. It's not even the lack of a motor (but it could be) it's the fact that he makes zero impact. He gets pushed out of the play on almost every snap. Some of the times he was being double teamed, sure, but even when he wasn't he made no real impact on the play. The few good plays he made were almost always a result of simply being so much stronger than the lineman blocking him that he just overpowered him. That won't happen in the NFL against pro linemen.

I'm really trying to get on this bandwagon as it looks like we're genuinely interested in this guy, but I really don't see it. I can't understand how Marty Hurney, a huge game tape guy, can seriously be thinking of drafting this guy.

I honestly feel like, if we take him, he'll be Hurney's first bust in the 1st round. I like almost every pass rusher projected to go before the 3rd round better than Coples. Nick Perry, Vinny Curry, and any number of other 2nd round guys look a LOT better than Coples to me. Melvin Ingram is a FAR superior football player. Sure, Coples looks the part moreso than Ingram, but as far as on the field, Ingram blows him away across the board.

I'm still on the Cox bandwagon, but if he's gone I would much rather have any of these guys over Coples:

- Melvin Ingram
- Stephon Gilmore (who I'm also not a huge fan of)
- Michael Floyd
- David DeCastro
- Mark Barron
- Janoris Jenkins
- Dre Kirkpatrick
- Jerel Worthy

I know a lot of folks here like Coples, but being a homestate prospect doesn't make him a good pick or player. If every fan of in-state teams had their way we'd be 1-15 every year with all N.C. State, UNC, ECU, Duke, Wake Forest, and App. State players.

I know Hurney's never missed in the 1st round, which gives me hope that maybe I'm just missing something with Coples, but honestly, this could be the one that goes wrong if we really do make Coples our pick. We badly need this pick to work for this team to continue improving and we can't afford another Everette Brown - not in the 2nd and certainly not at 9th overall.

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Well if you watched it on youtube.....

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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1335361590' post='1744711']
Just watched 6 games worth of snaps from Coples on YouTube from this year and last and I've come to one conclusion[/quote]
I peed a little.

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Please. Let's not get into the "it's not really game tape" debate here. No poo it's not game tape. But you can sure as poo tell when the guy you're watching is as bad as Coples was in those vids.

More UNC homers who'd rather have their boy than the best player.

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He sould make an ok backup defensive tackle one day.

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I would be pretty upset if we took Coples early in the first round but that's really only because I feel like there will be players available who can make a larger more immediate impact. If you watch more of his play he [i]does[/i] have some skills and he [i]does[/i] have the physical tools to be very good.

If he goes to a team with the right situation / coach he could very well turn into a solid / exceptional player...he's just not right for an early first round pick. He is still a kid basically and the football climate at UNC hasn't exactly been utopia lately (and no, for the record, I am not a Tar Heel fan...I'm in the "please don't let those assholes win at anything" club when it relates to UNC)
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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1335361793' post='1744721']
Please. Let's not get into the "it's not really game tape" debate here. No poo it's not game tape. But you can sure as poo tell when the guy you're watching is as bad as Coples was in those vids.

More UNC homers who'd rather have their boy than the best player.
[/quote]It has more to do with coming to a conclusion based on YouTube clips, which have been picked and chosen by the uploader.

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[quote name='BruceBrewski' timestamp='1335361650' post='1744714']
Well if you watched it on youtube.....
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Don't be like that, it is game tape. You guys act like the coaches have this special tape that shows a players attributes like you find in a video game.

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[quote]It has more to do with coming to a conclusion based on YouTube clips, which have been picked and chosen by the uploader.[/quote]

The videos have every snap the player takes from a given game. They're not "picked and chosen" by the uploader, they just put all the snaps together into one video.

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I tried watching his games on youtube as well. Bored me to tears so i switched to Melvin Ingram's.
Now there's a football player.

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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1335362466' post='1744739']
The videos have every snap the player takes from a given game. They're not "picked and chosen" by the uploader, they just put all the snaps together into one video.
[/quote]If you honestly can't see the difference, then there is no hope for you.

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you based your opinion on 6 plays.ok.

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Well you lose credibility when you say.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The guy is fuging terrible. Just awful.[/font][/color]
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He would not be a projected top 15 pick if this was the case.

So stop exaggerating. its childish.

If Rivera took precious pre-draft time to meet with him, again. Then he is not terrible, hes not even just okay. He is a super talented player, who could have a huge impact on this Defense.

If Rivera and Hurney, who have watch tons and tons of real game tape, think he is worthy of visits, then he is much better than what you are saying.

Btw, he was top 6 in QB hurries.

Stop being ridiculous.

Btw, I am a fuggin NC State fan.
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In short: Dude is Butt. He looks like he's always on valum when they interview him and mumbles more than Shaq, so I have hard time thinking he's gonna get to get jacked up to play on Sundays . Who knows maybe Rivera can get him a Temperpedic bed and a cattle prod

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Not a fan. Anyone see this interview with him on NFLN? It was probably just the lights, but the dude looked stoned out of his mind

[url="http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?cat=8&start=5"]http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?cat=8&start=5[/url]

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[quote name='Dpantherman' timestamp='1335362258' post='1744734']
It has more to do with coming to a conclusion based on YouTube clips, which have been picked and chosen by the uploader.
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It seems a number of scouts see the same thing. He's big and strong and looks the part but that doesn't make him good.

During the college season I tried to watch him when I could. I'm not a scout, or an enthusiast, and my opinion means nothing. But, of what I saw, he never did anything.

Hes pretty much the only player I don't want, well him and Poe.

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I've been saying for awhile I don't want anything to do with him. I've seen multiple scouts that don't even have a 1st round grade on him as well (although most do to be fair). I really hope we land Cox but if he's gone I wouldn't mind Ingram or one of the top CBs I suppose.

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[quote]If you honestly can't see the difference, then there is no hope for you.[/quote]

I do understand the difference. I said that in the 2nd post. But don't act like there's nothing to see from these YouTube vids either. You can tell when the guy's being pushed out of the play every single time. You can tell when he's giving half-ass effort. You can tell when he's not getting any push.

Obviously there are reasons he's projected this high. There is potential. But I can't imagine his real game tape looking THAT much better than what I saw. Plus, he just seems apathetic about the game. No fire, no fight, no motor. Just not the type of player we need to add to our defense on any level.

[quote]you based your opinion on 6 plays.ok.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Six GAMES, not six plays. Six games worth of snaps - every snap he took in those games - 3 from 2010 and 3 from last season.

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Well since second city says he is awful we have no worries. I am sure he will drop out of the draft completely and will be available as a UDFA. After all lets ignore what everyone else says.

And if you didn't want this type of reaction why would you post such a negative critical post?? Do you really think this gives you credibility or that people will agree with you unless you are an anti-Coples advocate. Some of what people post and then get butt hurt about when they get criticized just amazes me.

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I posted this because this is a message board and we're a day out from the draft. If you don't want to read it, don't. This is why we're here. To discuss, debate, especially when it comes to the draft.

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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1335363282' post='1744757']
I do understand the difference. I said that in the 2nd post. But don't act like there's nothing to see from these YouTube vids either. You can tell when the guy's being pushed out of the play every single time. You can tell when he's giving half-ass effort. You can tell when he's not getting any push.


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Don't you know that the best way to form an opinion on a player is to not watch any games at all? You simply look at draft boards or pick the guys from your favorite college!

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Mel Kiper knows all.

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[quote name='csx' timestamp='1335363045' post='1744752']
It seems a number of scouts see the same thing. He's big and strong and looks the part but that doesn't make him good.

During the college season I tried to watch him when I could. I'm not a scout, or an enthusiast, and my opinion means nothing. But, of what I saw, he never did anything.

Hes pretty much the only player I don't want, well him and Poe.
[/quote]Show me which scout said he is terrible and I'll never post here again.

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Show me any real NFL scout that posts anything about the draft on the internet and [i]I'll[/i] never post here again.

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[quote name='Second City Panther' timestamp='1335364043' post='1744772']
Mel Kiper knows all.
[/quote]So are you just going to post hyperbole all day or what? Sarcasm doesn't matter.

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