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#76 Irv

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:03 PM

Everyone (on the huddle) keeps shouting about Ron Edwards like he is a stud. Yeah I get that he is a serviceable starter, but lets not act like he is much more than an average starter, at best. The guy is pretty old, just missed a whole year, was already declining before he signed with the panthers and was just ok to begin with. He will help, he is a piece of the puzzle, but he is not going to single handedly change our defense. If he had been a panther his whole career everyone would want to draft a DT to replace him, yet now he is the answer (excuse) to not drafting one. I for one, am ok with not drafting DT, even if I most certainly would have myself. Finding serviceable DTs isnt the hardest thing, the hard part is finding above average youngish DTs who can do more than just run stuff.

The real problem last year was that fua and mcclain were terrible. end of story, no room for argument. Perhaps they improve, in fact its even likely, but they were empirically bad last year. abrayo franklin could be signed for a plate of bacon and would be vastly better than those guys were last year. Ill take kearse and neblett over mcclain and fua any day.

Ron Edwards: pretty ok player, great lock room guy, reasonable contract, not a stud. This is all totally ok, but lets not keep pretending the reality is something else.

rant/


Can you stop pretending like your on the coaching staff.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:10 PM

Shockey was viewed as injury prone before we signed him, and he missed what 2-3 games last season. I guess Gettis, and Beason are now injury prone as well, but I'll tell you who is TD, and Dan Connor. The lack of vision some of these posters have is astonishing, and shows an inability to see past their own personal feelings towards a situation...kinda like a female, just saying.


it's funny once we drafted Keuchley, SOME people forgot how injury prone Connor is and totally forgot about Davis' and Beason's injuries.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:09 PM

Quick, who was the DT on the Chargers when they were ranked #1 under Rivera? Surely an all-pro level talent, right?

Antonio Garay, signed off of the Jets' practice squad. Same age, body, and talents as Edwards, only not as good.

Rivera's scheme doesn't require anything more, Edwards is the ideal fit for it.


Who were the DTs when Rivera was coaching a top ranked defense in chicago?

Oh, right, tommie harris and tank johnson

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:20 PM

Who were the DTs when Rivera was coaching a top ranked defense in chicago?

Oh, right, tommie harris and tank johnson


I think the best comparison of what type of DTs the team needs us by looking at the 2000-2008 Eagles under DC Jim Johnson.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:22 PM

Wow. Threads like this one make me glad that I'm working away from the house more now. I swear over half of the current poster base for this forum just make poo up out of thin air. He's injury prone? Where in the high holy fug did that made up poo come from?

#81 MadHatter

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:23 PM

Kearse is much bigger than Edwards..


Agreed. But EdwRds played NT in a 3-4 before. He is a spa e water and not a quick UT.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:46 PM

The real problem last year was that fua and mcclain were terrible. end of story, no room for argument. Perhaps they improve, in fact its even likely, but they were empirically bad last year. abrayo franklin could be signed for a plate of bacon and would be vastly better than those guys were last year. Ill take kearse and neblett over mcclain and fua any day.

Ron Edwards: pretty ok player, great lock room guy, reasonable contract, not a stud. This is all totally ok, but lets not keep pretending the reality is something else.

rant/


Edwards is a serviceable DT.. I venture to say you can't find anyone who has said otherwise, which most likely makes this thread obsolete... along with your other points:

Fua and McClain were simply asked to gain experience last year, per Ron Rivera.. Also, Aubrayo Franklin is a kin to bringing in Ron Edwards to play the NT role than comparing him to McClain... Franklin is also more likely to miss time due to his knees than Edwards is from torn triceps..



and people pied this? really? I guess hating on the DT position is more important regardless if the OP has a point or not...

#83 I Mean He Was Found Guilty

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:55 PM

people are going to be howling about defensive tackle well into the preseason.

the meltdown is going to be epic if we give up some big runs against houston

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

hes solid and can work with the younger guys

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:07 PM

I haven't seen a lot of Edwards so I'll have to wait till I actually see him in a game, as far as Kearse goes, he did well last year and look forward to seeing him again. But now that RR and Hurney put him on front street, Huddlers are all over him. All I can say is that I hope you're all right. I'd like to see Edwards and Kearse start and mix in Neblett, McClain. To give Edwards a breather, swap him out with Fua and Shirley to keep him fresh.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:17 PM

Only big runs will be off the edges. With Edwards / Kearse / Shirely / Beason / Luke I dont see much teams running it up the gut.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

I haven't seen a lot of Edwards so I'll have to wait till I actually see him in a game, as far as Kearse goes, he did well last year and look forward to seeing him again. But now that RR and Hurney put him on front street, Huddlers are all over him. All I can say is that I hope you're all right. I'd like to see Edwards and Kearse start and mix in Neblett, McClain. To give Edwards a breather, swap him out with Fua and Shirley to keep him fresh.


just my view while putting aside fan speculation and generating discussions on message boards for a second,

All Rivera can do is go by what he sees and find out what he gets.. Based on his resume, all fans can do is feel hopeful based on how the coach feels, or not.. I don't know if I buy in on whether fans can be right or wrong on the issue more so than feeling hopeful or not and letting the results dictate which truth will unfold.. If I went over actual game film, I may have a better idea on what I see but without seeing that player in practice, I don't know if I can make a real determination on that player's potential growth and whether that tells me if they have a future or not..

but since this is a message board and all we can do is view from the outside, all our discussions are just a gut reaction to what we see on Sunday's and try to entertain ourselves along the way via message board discussions... Although I do thoroughly believe certain people have a better understanding on what they see than others..

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:26 PM

just my view while putting aside fan speculation and generating discussions on message boards for a second,

All Rivera can do is go by what he sees and find out what he gets.. Based on his resume, all fans can do is feel hopeful based on how the coach feels, or not.. I don't know if I buy in on whether fans can be right or wrong on the issue more so than feeling hopeful or not and letting the results dictate which truth will unfold.. If I went over actual game film, I may have a better idea on what I see but without knowing the player via practice, I don't know if I can make a real determination on that player's potential growth and whether that tells me if they have a future or not..

but since this is a message board and all we can do is view from the outside, all our discussions are just a gut reaction to what we see on Sunday's and try to entertain ourselves along the way via message board discussions... Although I do thoroughly believe certain people have a better understanding on what they see than others..

And you're saying what?

#89 bleys

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:33 PM

And you're saying what?


basically, if fans choose to trust Rivera, so be it.. if they don't, so be it.. but those opinions have 1/16 the access to real information than the coaches so I don't view fans opinions so much as right/wrong as I do they guessed right/wrong..


of course, there is such a thing as being highly emotional and fail to use any reason..

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:38 PM

Edwards is a serviceable DT.. I venture to say you can't find anyone who has said otherwise, which most likely makes this thread obsolete... along with your other points:

Fua and McClain were simply asked to gain experience last year, per Ron Rivera.. Also, Aubrayo Franklin is a kin to bringing in Ron Edwards to play the NT role than comparing him to McClain... Franklin is also more likely to miss time due to his knees than Edwards is from torn triceps..

and people pied this? really? I guess hating on the DT position is more important regardless if the OP has a point or not...


I agree. Seriously, find me one post on here where someone said Edwards is anything more than serviceable stop-gap measure. He will make the D-line better, but he's not going to light it up, and no one has indicated otherwise.

The OP is offering a classic straw-man argument, which is basically useless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

The real debate is whether our current DT's are sufficient to improve our defense this year.

To simplify the debate, one side feels that with the return of Edwards, the progression of our rookie DTs, and the guys we found last year, we're OKAY at DT. That is, the position is not so bad as to substantially hurt our ability to win games.

The other side believes that Edwards was never spectacular, the rookies showed they aren't that great last year, and the players we found that last year won't be impact additions. This means the failure to address the DT position so far in the offseason is a shortcoming that will potentially cost us games this year.

The fact is that both sides have merit, and we won't really know until the season starts.



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