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Nc Amendment One: "preserving The White Race"?


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#361 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:41 PM

true, you probably haven't, but it sounds like your argument is that no marriage is a civil right, but that seems to be in disagreement with a court case. I don't think marriage is just about the monetary benefits. There is more to it than that.


If marriage is a Civil Right, then its a restricted one since there are some restrictions placed on marriage, (and not just on gay marriage). On most rights, the only restrictions are for public safety or security or something like that (for example freedom of speech). But marriage has restrictions on it above and beyond those things. Society has placed restrictions on it, but since society is changing in its outlook on gay marriage, thats one restriction that is slowly changing. But it will probably take a few years for the law to catch up with society.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:48 PM

Whether or not "marriage" is a civil right; equal protection under the law most definitely is.

#363 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 07:48 PM

Whether or not "marriage" is a civil right; equal protection under the law most definitely is.



I agree that everyone has the right to equal protection (which really means equal treatment), but even there, at some point society has to decide what is meant by equal protection. Right now two consenting adults being allowed to get married regardless of the conditions is not getting equal protection, and it likely never will at least not fully. A hundred years ago, gay marriage was lumped in with incestful marriages. That is changing, and I do believe that eventually gays will be able to marry, because society is moving in that direction, albeit at a pace that is to slow for some (and to fast for others). But other restrictions are likely to remain in place for a long time.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 07:54 PM

"society" has no right telling consenting adult individuals what they may or may not do as long as they are not infringing upon the person, property, liberty or rights of a non-consenting individual

neither does the government

it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs to have two dudes or two women get married

or 50 dudes and one chick. or 50 chicks and one dude. who gives a goddamn fug what anyone else is doing with their fuging lives.

fug you bunch of goddamn concerned mothers

remove the plank from your own eye before you seek to remove the speck from someone elses

#365 Harris Aballah

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:48 AM

At times it may appear the two parties are trying to keep the masses confused and under control with a divide and conquer approach. The problem with that theory is conspiracies take a lot of time and effort and rarely work as planned .

The political process is inherently divisive. The confused and controlled part is just the natural state of existence for most humans.

A more educated and engaged electorate would eliminate a lot of the manipulation and BS we are seeing from politicians.

Politicians should get paid the same as soldiers and live on barracks. hell take allof the perks of being a politician away. read about shadowband[govs 50 yr old web service]. They have had a hell of a headstart on us all. plus voting districts are very important to pols who seek control.

#366 chris999

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

"society" has no right telling consenting adult individuals what they may or may not do as long as they are not infringing upon the person, property, liberty or rights of a non-consenting individual

neither does the government

it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs to have two dudes or two women get married

or 50 dudes and one chick. or 50 chicks and one dude. who gives a goddamn fug what anyone else is doing with their fuging lives.

fug you bunch of goddamn concerned mothers

remove the plank from your own eye before you seek to remove the speck from someone elses


Agreed. Everyone has a right to choose their own religion. But America was founded on the principal that Church and State would be separated. As a matter of fact, one of the main reasons that people wanted to migrate to the USA from Europe was because of the Protestants(non-Catholic Christians) wanted to be free from a government that wanted to maintain control over the spirituality and religions of it's citizens by forcing them all into a state sponsored church, mainly The Vatican or the Church of England.

Now in America, the same religious institutions that left Europe in order to be free to worship however they chose want to do the same thing, and force everyone in their own country to abide by their religious doctrine.

Personally, I dont really support gay-marriage, but I DO support everyone in the country having the same rights as anyone else, no matter what race, wealth, sexual preferences, sex...etc.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

Obama takes black vote for granted. Basically, tells em to get in line.

http://baltimore.cbs...ovember-ballot/

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:39 PM

You certainly have a unique way of looking at things.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:10 PM

Obama takes black vote for granted. Basically, tells em to get in line.

http://baltimore.cbs...ovember-ballot/


I think you linked the wrong article.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:35 PM

repubs never take the christian vote for granted huh

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:48 PM

thats uh, different.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:54 AM

you have it right.

cantrell doesn't care what you actually say. he has everyone stereotyped. he tells you what you believe, and analyzes your life based on posts made to a political forum on an internet football team fan message board.


yes and unless you're as dumb as i've thought you are at times you're fully aware that government is going to continue to be involved in marriage. 60% of nc voters turned out just to protect the sanctity of their government marriage. while wanting civil unions for all and marriage for the religious is great and all, that's not actually going to happen. if letting gay people marry is waging war on marriage, changing "marriage" to "civil union" is dropping the nuke on it. it is not going to happen. your options are to support equality, or support separate but equal policies. standing around and saying you're not really involved so you don't care is implicit support of the status quo.

tl;dr marriage isn't going anywhere so let's stop discriminating against a large portion of the american public

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:01 AM

yes and unless you're as dumb as i've thought you are at times you're fully aware that government is going to continue to be involved in marriage. 60% of nc voters turned out just to protect the sanctity of their government marriage. while wanting civil unions for all and marriage for the religious is great and all, that's not actually going to happen. if letting gay people marry is waging war on marriage, changing "marriage" to "civil union" is dropping the nuke on it. it is not going to happen. your options are to support equality, or support separate but equal policies. standing around and saying you're not really involved so you don't care is implicit support of the status quo.

tl;dr marriage isn't going anywhere so let's stop discriminating against a large portion of the american public


well, good for the 60% of the 30% who showed up. tell them all they did was guarantee a waste of millions of their own dollars when this thing goes through the feds.

change "marriage" to "state recognized sexual relationship" for all i care... as long as it applies to everyone. speaking of things that apply to everyone, mandate state recognized sexual relationships for everyone. i mean, its a civil right even for people who can't find a partner.