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#31 DawgzLife

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:44 PM

Randall Cunningham did it for 17 years and that's exactly who Newton compares to. A great runner and thrower.


If Cam "exactly" compares to Cunnigham, we should give it up now, we will not win a Super Bowl.

Seriously tho, no one compares 'exactly' to anyone else...esp. when Cam is 1 of them.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

We brought in Mike Tolbert to reduce cam's load around the goal line and protect him. Bank on it.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

If Cam "exactly" compares to Cunnigham, we should give it up now, we will not win a Super Bowl.

Seriously tho, no one compares 'exactly' to anyone else...esp. when Cam is 1 of them.


Look at Cunningham's and Newton's numbers from last season. They're almost identical.

Newton: 4051 yards passing and 706 yards rushing

Cunningham's highest rushing season is 942 and has 4 seasons over 500 yards (2 of those over 600) and 5 seasons of at least 3200 yards passing (his highest being 3808).

The Eagles could've won a Super Bowl with Cunningham. It's not his fault because he did his part.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

Just what running QB's are you guys referring too when you say "running QB's don't last long in the NFL"? Vick? McNabb? Cunningham? Culpepper? Young? Who? What QB's career was shortened due to injury from running the ball?


I don't think you were responding to my post, but just using your cherry picked examples (I say that b/c we all cherry pick, but I am using 'your' examples:
Vick: How many seasons has he actually played all games without being injured? Wide list of injuries that kept him out.
Culpepper: 5 good seasons, then went off the cliff
Cunningham: I'll give you that 1
Young: Played a full seasons in only 3 out of his 15 year career

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:59 PM

Sorry but after Randell's knee injury he was never the runner he was before and became more of a pocket passer as well.


From 85-94 (10 seasons), Cunningham had 8 seasons of at least 200 yards rushing. Two of those include totals of 205 and 288. Three seasons of 540, 505, 549 yards rushing. Two more seasons of 621 and 624 yards rushing. And then his highest total of 942.

Later in his career he gained 127 yards rushing in 1997 and 132 yards rushing in 1998.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:04 PM

I don't think you were responding to my post, but just using your cherry picked examples (I say that b/c we all cherry pick, but I am using 'your' examples:
Vick: How many seasons has he actually played all games without being injured? Wide list of injuries that kept him out.
Culpepper: 5 good seasons, then went off the cliff
Cunningham: I'll give you that 1
Young: Played a full seasons in only 3 out of his 15 year career


You know you're including seasons where they sat him because they already made the playoffs and also the seasons where they still had Joe Montana right?

Vick and Culpepper were not great throwers which is why they ran more often so they shouldn't have been mentioned.

If people are going to compare Cam's running to some other runner that got hurt, it's got to be with someone who didn't have to rely on his legs so much because he was such a worthless piece of crap quarterback like Vick. If they have the throwing ability, thats what extends their careers.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

Look at Cunningham's and Newton's numbers from last season. They're almost identical.

Newton: 4051 yards passing and 706 yards rushing

Cunningham's highest rushing season is 942 and has 4 seasons over 500 yards (2 of those over 600) and 5 seasons of at least 3200 yards passing (his highest being 3808).

The Eagles could've won a Super Bowl with Cunningham. It's not his fault because he did his part.


Cunningham played maybe, & I'm being generous, 6 complete seasons for his career. He has a significant injury history. He retired in '95 b/c he was benched for our own former QB Rodney Peete. Came back in '97 to the Vikes where he had 2 good years & was benched again. He was a backup for the Ravens his final year before he permanently retired form football.

You tell me, but that's not what I think Cam's career is going to look like.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

I don't think you were responding to my post, but just using your cherry picked examples (I say that b/c we all cherry pick, but I am using 'your' examples:
Vick: How many seasons has he actually played all games without being injured? Wide list of injuries that kept him out.
Culpepper: 5 good seasons, then went off the cliff
Cunningham: I'll give you that 1
Young: Played a full seasons in only 3 out of his 15 year career


I was hoping someone would bite on those names because Cam is nothing like Vick and Young in physical stature. I know that no one is invincible but both of those players are like children physically compared to Cam.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

In Randall's last ten years he only played in like 80 games i believe.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

You know you're including seasons where they sat him because they already made the playoffs and also the seasons where they still had Joe Montana right?

Vick and Culpepper were not great throwers which is why they ran more often so they shouldn't have been mentioned.

If people are going to compare Cam's running to some other runner that got hurt, it's got to be with someone who didn't have to rely on his legs so much because he was such a worthless piece of crap quarterback like Vick.


Yes. I also included the 2 full seasons where he led the pathetic Bucs to nothing & got traded to the 49rs.

I agree with your take on Vick, but I didn't start that discussion...just was lending perspective.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:11 PM

I was hoping someone would bite on those names because Cam is nothing like Vick and Young in physical stature. I know that no one is invincible but both of those players are like children physically compared to Cam.


I agree, BUT...6'2" 215lbs. is definitely comparable in '85 to 6'5" 250lbs. today. Back then you didn't have DEs running faster than RBs. Players are MUCH bigger now than when Young was playing. Vick is a little boy compared to Cam, + Vick runs 'stupidly' & Cam does not.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:13 PM

Man it's good to have discussions like these. Debating what is the best way to utilize an extremely talented player who may have had TOO much success running and STILL broke the all-time rookie passing record.....beautiful!

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:13 PM

Cunningham played maybe, & I'm being generous, 6 complete seasons for his career. He has a significant injury history. He retired in '95 b/c he was benched for our own former QB Rodney Peete. Came back in '97 to the Vikes where he had 2 good years & was benched again. He was a backup for the Ravens his final year before he permanently retired form football.

You tell me, but that's not what I think Cam's career is going to look like.


3 of his Eagle years they had Jaws starting. Seven seasons of at least starting 12 games (87-90, 92, 94, and 98). He earned All-Pro honors in 1998 by the way. You're not looking at the whole picture. Cam is in a better situation because he came in right away to start and won't go to another team that already has a starter in place. Cunningham was a 4 time All-Pro. Imagine what Cam will do in his better situation.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:27 PM

3 of his Eagle years they had Jaws starting. Seven seasons of at least starting 12 games (87-90, 92, 94, and 98). He earned All-Pro honors in 1998 by the way. You're not looking at the whole picture. Cam is in a better situation because he came in right away to start and won't go to another team that already has a starter in place. Cunningham was a 4 time All-Pro. Imagine what Cam will do in his better situation.



Cunningham was only behind Jaws for 2 seasons then was the starter. I didn’t know that from 88-98 the season was only 12 games?! Looking at the whole picture?! He played in 14 or more games in only 6 seasons. He was injured multiple times.

He did earn all-pro during '98, he had an extraordinary supporting cast (Chris Carter, Moss & Reed). I was at the playoff game he lost to Atlanta, they had a great offensive coordinator (Billick, before he became the HC of Baltimore). How is Cam in a 'better' situation than that? Our WRs, except Smith are not even close to what that team had.

So excuse me if I don't agree with your 'exact' comparison between Cunnigham & Cam...it would be very depressing to think that's how Cam's career ends up. Don't get me wrong either...I loved Cunningham even tho I didn't like the Eagles or Vikes.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:31 PM

I don't mind Cam running on designed plays or scrambles because I know he has the moves to juke defenders and stay injury free.

The jumping over the pile worries me though. On this play, for example I was super worried about his neck when he came down. Cam is tall and can get some major air but, needs to remember that no amount of moves can juke gravity.


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