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Shirley Could Be The Odd Man Out In Dt Battle.

From all the FO interviews.

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#61 Kuech the Sneak

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:16 PM

I hope to see Shirley making the team and being a big contributor along with kearse and neblett...that was far and away our best d-tackle rotation all season

#62 MaineManPanther

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:40 PM

Name 1 please.


How about in week five when he played agianst NO, and beat Brian De La Puente for three tackles for no gain and a hit on Brees?
Do you really think Rivera was mistaken when he made the comment of Fua?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:05 PM

There needs to be some big improvement this year up the middle so I hope they don't rule anybody out too soon. I think that the improvement at LB depth will help take the double teams off the middle push.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

How about in week five when he played agianst NO, and beat Brian De La Puente for three tackles for no gain and a hit on Brees?
Do you really think Rivera was mistaken when he made the comment of Fua?



He had 3 assisted tackles and 1 solo are you serious? Also what about the 5 games after that where he record no stats? 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 every thing.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:31 PM

Yes I can. I think they both were bad but Fua was worst at what we ask him to do. He could not hold up as a NT. Maybe that will change with a offseason of bulking up getting stronger and learning the position.


And would you like to make a Sig bet on the Edwards thing.


nah i dont bet, and McClain did not do his job no better. again neither guy showed much.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:36 PM

nah i dont bet, and McClain did not do his job no better. again neither guy showed much.


Then stop saying stupid crap if you're not willing to back it up.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:43 PM

Then stop saying stupid crap if you're not willing to back it up.


so because im not willing to bet, im not backing up my word? go look at other threads this is not my 1st time saying this, and dude it aint that serious.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:47 PM

He had 3 assisted tackles and 1 solo are you serious? Also what about the 5 games after that where he record no stats? 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 every thing.

Three of the four were behind the line from him beating a pretty good center. The fact that he wasnt the only one who tackled doesnt take away from that. And Nfl doesn't register hits.

From PFF who watched the Film and specifically each Dt that game.
"Fua improved for the third week in a row and had a season-high three stops, whereas McClain only has three stops all season, despite being on the field for more plays than Fua, who has nine. In this particular game, McClain kept getting taken inside by the Saints**** guards, whereas Fua got the better of his matchup with Center Brian De La Puente, beating him several times"

http://www.profootba...anthers-week-5/

And what does the other five games have anything to do with your argument? You asked for one time. No one is arguing he didn't play bad for the season overall. And do you think Rivera was mistaken?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:48 PM

so because im not willing to bet, im not backing up my word? go look at other threads this is not my 1st time saying this, and dude it aint that serious.


So you actually think Ron Edwards isn't going to make the team and people haven't called you stupid before?

#70 koolkatluke

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:02 PM

Three of the four were behind the line from him beating a pretty good center. The fact that he wasnt the only one who tackled doesnt take away from that. And Nfl doesn't register hits.

From PFF who watched the Film and specifically each Dt that game.
"Fua improved for the third week in a row and had a season-high three stops, whereas McClain only has three stops all season, despite being on the field for more plays than Fua, who has nine. In this particular game, McClain kept getting taken inside by the Saints***** guards, whereas Fua got the better of his matchup with Center Brian De La Puente, beating him several times"

http://www.profootba...anthers-week-5/

And what does the other five games have anything to do with your argument? You asked for one time. No one is arguing he didn't play bad for the season overall. And do you think Rivera was mistaken?


As already been posted in this Thread a few of us don't think PFF is worth a crap in their grading system any way. So using them to help you make a point matter less to me then using Bleacherreport.

They have a player at #1 who played in 3 games top.

3 ast. tackles could also mean he got there after the 1st guy and just fell on the RB.

#71 MaineManPanther

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:21 PM

As already been posted in this Thread a few of us don't think PFF is worth a crap in their grading system any way. So using them to help you make a point matter less to me then using Bleacherreport.

They have a player at #1 who played in 3 games top.

3 ast. tackles could also mean he got there after the 1st guy and just fell on the RB.


This isn't about there grading. They sat and watched the tape and saw him make plays from behind the line. They typed what they saw. This isnt skewed by grading or some formula. If you throw that out, then your throwing your own argument in which your using what you saw.
Considering there a objective source and are inelligent people don't see why It should be debated in this instance that there wrong. It's not a easy mistake to make. They would be able to make out wether player made a play or just fell on him. That's why they watch the tape.

And once again, if you don't believe anything else, believe our coach who specifically stated Fua improvement and McLain struggles.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:31 PM

This isn't about there grading. They sat and watched the tape and saw him make plays from behind the line. They typed what they saw. This isnt skewed by grading or some formula. If you throw that out, then your throwing your own argument in which your using what you saw. Considering there a objective source and are inelligent people don't see why It should be debated in this instance that there wrong. It's not a easy mistake to make. They would be able to make out wether player made a play or just fell on him. That's why they watch the tape. And once again, if you don't believe anything else, believe our coach who specifically stated Fua improvement and McLain struggles.




You keep saying this could you show a link to Rivera saying this?


But again this is the same site that has Pressley graded as our best DT last year on 40 snaps.

Or the fact they have Ron Feilds graded higher then Nebblet (who IMO was the Best DT last year). So it's obvious the team doesn't agree with PFF grading system since they Cut Ron Fields after game 8 and Nebblet is still on the roster.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:46 PM

it just shows you how obviously depleted the position's become that we can sign a guy off the street that hasn't played organized football in 3 fuging years and he makes the most impact out of any DT on the roster

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:07 PM

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You keep saying this could you show a link to Rivera saying this?


But again this is the same site that has Pressley graded as our best DT last year on 40 snaps.

Or the fact they have Ron Feilds graded higher then Nebblet (who IMO was the Best DT last year). So it's obvious the team doesn't agree with PFF grading system since they Cut Ron Fields after game 8 and Nebblet is still on the roster.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/28/2812277/rivera-assesses-rookies.html


Again If I was using the grading as a argument, then this would be relveant and I would happily debate the legitimacy of their grading. If you want to debate that in its own thread then I'll join in. But I want to focus on the original debate point.

I pointed to a paragraph where they simply stated that after watching the tape of Fua they witnessed and noted him in on and making multiple plays. This is before any grading intervened.

It would be not so different then either you or me sitting down objectively , intelligently and exclusivley watching Fua play and typing what we saw.
If we dispute that, then we're disputing anybody who uses what they saw as a argument. ( as you have done in this thread).


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:26 PM

http://www.charlotte...es-rookies.html


Again If I was using the grading as a argument, then this would be relveant and I would happily debate the legitimacy of their grading. If you want to debate that in its own thread then I'll join in. But I want to focus on the original debate point.

I pointed to a paragraph where they simply stated that after watching the tape of Fua they witnessed and noted him in on and making multiple plays. This is before any grading intervened.

It would be not so different then either you or me sitting down objectively , intelligently and exclusivley watching Fua play and typing what we saw.
If we dispute that, then we're disputing anybody who uses what they saw as a argument. ( as you have done in this thread).



At various times this season, Panthers coach Ron Rivera has seen first-year players struggling with the so-called rookie wall.
He's seen it particularly in rookie defensive tackles Sione Fua and Terrell McClain.


He said they both hit the wall.

Rivera said Fua had "probably his best game" against Indianapolis while McClain struggled.
"(McClain has) kind of hit a little wall the last couple games, and we're starting to see Sione play a little better," Rivera said. "He was effective. He had two good pressures this game."


Read more here: http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy




He was talking about 1 game and you guys act like he said Fua was better then Mcclain all season. Not to mention it wasn't even the same game PFF thought was his best game. He had 2 good pressure against a bad Colts Oline wow.


Read more here: http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy




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