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#1 SteveSmithTD89

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 04:00 PM

OK, I'm sure this can be merged into one of the countless other threads but this has been bugging me for quite some time. Everytime they bring up the players appeals they mention the key point as being that their actions took place before the new CBA was in place. Ok? Fair enough. I see their point.

Now here is the kicker:

The league specifically mentions four players who were targeted with bounties. They were Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton. Favre and Warner are retired, and Rodgers plays in the NFC North.


Cam Newton and Aaron Rodgers were admitted targets of the bounty system... THIS season. Now, how exactly can that statment hold any water about it being before the CBA when there were two targets right after the new deal was in place.

I dont know, am I missing something? Am I looking at this wrong or what? Because the fact that I havent heard an analyst mention this at all is a head scratcher. :huh:

http://espn.go.com/b...eted-cam-newton

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 04:17 PM

It's nothing new in today's society. No integrity or ownership of your actions whatsoever. Vilma's like the guy who got caught on camera stealing merchandise who still swears up & down till he's blue in the face he didn't do it.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:12 PM

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 10:13 PM

The bounty actions happened before and after the new CBA. There was definitely a bounty system in place this year, and it probably dates back to before their superbowl run.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:14 AM

Who dat say dey gon' sign Brees?

#6 TruCatzFan

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 01:53 PM

I personally believe that Vilma has a solid case against Goodell in his defamation suit. I haven't personally seen any evidence (not saying there isn't any) that straight up proves that this was Vilma's personal money on the table...

Goodell seems to have acted on the premise that it was in fact Vilma's cash... IF* it wasn't and IF* that can be proven... Goodell is fugged!

I'm looking at this particular situation as a person... Not a Panthers fan. I'm in no way taking up for Vilma... I'm just saying... Goodell made some very public statements in regards to Vilma, and if they're not true... Man this could get ugly. Time will tell



#7 Frizzy350

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:38 PM

I personally believe that Vilma has a solid case against Goodell in his defamation suit. I haven't personally seen any evidence (not saying there isn't any) that straight up proves that this was Vilma's personal money on the table...

Goodell seems to have acted on the premise that it was in fact Vilma's cash... IF* it wasn't and IF* that can be proven... Goodell is fugged!

I'm looking at this particular situation as a person... Not a Panthers fan. I'm in no way taking up for Vilma... I'm just saying... Goodell made some very public statements in regards to Vilma, and if they're not true... Man this could get ugly. Time will tell


Even if Goodell's statements were true, and he is convicted of defamation of character, what exactly is going to happen to Goodell? He's going to hand some cash to Vilma? Big deal. He's not going to lose his job over this.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:54 PM

Even if Goodell's statements were true, and he is convicted of defamation of character, what exactly is going to happen to Goodell? He's going to hand some cash to Vilma? Big deal. He's not going to lose his job over this.


IF* Vilma were to win... (and I honestly don't see it happening) I would say that Goodell has a pretty high chance that Goodell (The face of the NFL) would have a very high chance of being replaced. You just can't make statements like that, with those implications, at that level. (Which is why I have to believe that Goodell is sitting on some pretty overwhelming evidence in his own favor)


Like I said though, I can't wait to see this really play out.


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Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:26 PM

IF* Vilma were to win... (and I honestly don't see it happening) I would say that Goodell has a pretty high chance that Goodell (The face of the NFL) would have a very high chance of being replaced. You just can't make statements like that, with those implications, at that level. (Which is why I have to believe that Goodell is sitting on some pretty overwhelming evidence in his own favor)


Like I said though, I can't wait to see this really play out.


Doubt it. The owners and NFLPA would still be overwhelmingly favoring Goodell as commissioner. Even if one small aspect of Goodell's statement is an out and out lie, the intentions behind it are still enforcing player safety.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:36 PM

I personally believe that Vilma has a solid case against Goodell in his defamation suit. I haven't personally seen any evidence (not saying there isn't any) that straight up proves that this was Vilma's personal money on the table...

Goodell seems to have acted on the premise that it was in fact Vilma's cash... IF* it wasn't and IF* that can be proven... Goodell is fugged!

I'm looking at this particular situation as a person... Not a Panthers fan. I'm in no way taking up for Vilma... I'm just saying... Goodell made some very public statements in regards to Vilma, and if they're not true... Man this could get ugly. Time will tell


It isn't going to get ugly. They have the evidence or Goodell wouldn't have suspended him the entire year. They haven't shown Vilma evidence or released it to the public because he isn't in a position of authority to make demands. Roger Goodell openly invited Vilma & his lawyers to a meeting at his office to discuss the situation & go over the evidence. Vilma declined & ignored him. Vilma is just in denial much like Saints** fans.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:54 AM

This whole lawsuit thing is a joke and the only person benefitting is Vilma's lawyer. Slander is extremely difficult to prove and on top of that there usually needs to be an element of malice or desire to cause harm without justification or for spite. Essentially Goddell woke up one morning and thought it would be a good idea to trump up charges and go after the entire organization just to suspend Vilma.

Exaggerating for clarity but Vilma's attorney would probably have to prove something like that for this to cause Roger to lose sleep.

Good news is its the off season and it should help us get through June and July

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:13 AM

I agree with all.. Which is why my IFs* were all capitalized and have asterisks.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

Who dat say dey gon' sign Brees?


As a Frenchy i am not supposed to be the best English speaker on the forum but what language is it?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:42 AM

I personally believe that Vilma has a solid case against Goodell in his defamation suit. I haven't personally seen any evidence (not saying there isn't any) that straight up proves that this was Vilma's personal money on the table...

Goodell seems to have acted on the premise that it was in fact Vilma's cash... IF* it wasn't and IF* that can be proven... Goodell is fugged!

I'm looking at this particular situation as a person... Not a Panthers fan. I'm in no way taking up for Vilma... I'm just saying... Goodell made some very public statements in regards to Vilma, and if they're not true... Man this could get ugly. Time will tell

I realize you've got a lot of ifs in your post but you touched on something Ive seen a number of people talk about.

Whether or not it was Vilma's personal money or not is of zero consequence.

People are trying to make something out of that and when you read Vilma's statements he seems to focus on things like " I never offered any of my money for ..." Doesn't matter if GW gave him the cash to offer up as reward, he extended the offer. Just like it wouldn't matter if I gave you the cash to hire someone to beat someone up for me. If you got busted hiring the person its still on you. You don't get a pass because it wasn't your money.

And Vilma wont either.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:51 AM

I realize you've got a lot of ifs in your post but you touched on something Ive seen a number of people talk about.


Whether or not it was Vilma's personal money or not is of zero consequence.

People are trying to make something out of that and when you read Vilma's statements he seems to focus on things like " I never offered any of my money for ..." Doesn't matter if GW gave him the cash to offer up as reward, he extended the offer. Just like it wouldn't matter if I gave you the cash to hire someone to beat someone up for me. If you got busted hiring the person its still on you. You don't get a pass because it wasn't your money.

And Vilma wont either.


Ding ding ding we have a winner. And whoever thinks that Goodell didn't have the best lawyers in the land review these cases upside down and sideways is on the big pipe. Talk about imaginations running wild, good lawd.


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