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#16 Delhommey

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:54 PM

If you think "the rich" are paying a lot in taxes, you're not paying attention.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:56 PM

If you think "the rich" are paying a lot in taxes, you're not paying attention.


That depends on whether you mean rich as in income or rich as in accumulated wealth.

#18 Delhommey

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:58 PM

If you're main income is a paycheck, you ain't rich.

#19 88 Bronco

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:00 PM

If you think "the rich" are paying a lot in taxes, you're not paying attention.


No, I don't think that. People scream "tax the rich", but they don't grasp what happens when that concept is applied. The "rich" hide their money in investments, charitable donations and lots of other tax deductions that brings their gross adjusted income down a tax bracket or 3. Even if we could get the "rich" to pay more, people like you and me would end up paying the increase in taxes because the "rich would force an increase to goods and services to recoup some of their lost earnings
This is why I believe in a flat tax.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:03 PM

If you're main income is a paycheck, you ain't rich.



That skirts my question. Income is income to the IRS whether its a paycheck or not.

My question was whether you meant income rich ( the way the government determines tax brackets) or accumulated wealth rich ( people who inherited large sums of money and have most of it tax sheltered ( the truly rich)

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:05 PM

I think 100% flat tax is impractical. Like communism it looks great on paper.
Implementation would be extremely tough.
If anything, phase it in so as not to totally disrupt the system and put into shock. The main issue is the uber rich have a stranglehold on not just money but culture, power, politics and pretty much alot of other things. They won't just roll over. Thats left or right.

#22 88 Bronco

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:07 PM

I think the biggest reason we don't have a flat tax is because a few non-profit organizations would go under due to the lack of donations.

#23 Delhommey

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:08 PM

Trust me. A being a single, childless non home owner in a decent tax bracket, I am well aware who bears the brunt.

#24 Delhommey

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:10 PM

That skirts my question. Income is income to the IRS whether its a paycheck or not.

My question was whether you meant income rich ( the way the government determines tax brackets) or accumulated wealth rich ( people who inherited large sums of money and have most of it tax sheltered ( the truly rich)


BS. Income is not income.

Trust me, I pay a much higher percentage on my yearly income, than Warren Buffet. At least double.

#25 Matt Foley

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:10 PM

Flat tax...no deductions.

Until we get there, someone will always be unhappy.

#26 88 Bronco

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:11 PM

Trust me. A being a single, childless non home owner in a decent tax bracket, I am well aware who bears the brunt.


Not to be a smug dick, but did I miss anything.

#27 Delhommey

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:18 PM

Not to be a smug dick, but did I miss anything.


No deductions for kids or mortgage interest = pain.

#28 88 Bronco

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 09:21 PM

No deductions for kids or mortgage interest = pain.


Sorry I forgot the classic "adopt a foreign kid instead of destroying my figure so I can get a child tax deduction". Plus expenses incurred during an adoption are tax deductible.

#29 tight lines

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 10:02 PM

Trust me. A being a single, childless non home owner in a decent tax bracket, I am well aware who bears the brunt.


You have still missed my point. Graduated income tax is based on income Not Accumulated wealth, hence you can be rich without having a large income and you can have a large income without having a large amount of accumulated wealth.



Ps having children can be more considerably more expensive than the money you save in taxes.

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 10:03 PM

Yeah, that's what I don't get. This dude was so concerned about taxing the rich, when he has no chance of being rich.


Kinda like the whole Joe sixpack dilemma.


I don't know any hourly workers who haven't mentioned how much more money they'd be making if it weren't for all the deductions by the gov't. I completely understand that the gov't has to run and the only way it can run is on taxes, but when the amount of money is blown every year that our gov't completely wastes, it leaves a person (particularly a person who has performed a week of strenuous physical labor) a bit jaded toward said gov't that is taking that money.


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