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Does Everyone Really Believe We Are Good At Dt?


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#41 CRA

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

It wasn't a DT by commitee last year? With the same people?


Not really....it was mental Fua and McCain until they went to IR

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:54 AM

There is a fine line in football between winning and losing. With a very small amount of improvement in any area, we could have been 10-6.

Here is what you need to know as far as the D

DLine will be better
2 rookies will certainly improve, Edward will help that immensely

CB's will be better
The addition of Hogan will give us options

LB's will be better
From our first round pick who is gonna be great in pass coverage, to the guys coming back from injury, this will again be a strength.

Safety will be better
With the FA's brought in, the competition will elevate their play

S Teams will be better
From punt coverage, to punt returns, we will get better.


Again, the fine line between a bad team and a good team, in my opinion, will be crossed. As long as our offense is as dynamic as they were last season, our D's improvement should have us enjoying a lot more Sunday afternoons

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:28 AM

I don't think that we are good, but we probably aren't going to be as bad as last season.


Hurney has been very stubborn about fixing the middle of our D Line for ever. I have said it in the past, but we have had nothing in the middle since Jenkins left.

RR said what he had to say when we weren't able to address that position. He has not been here long enough to throw his boss under the bus yet.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:34 AM

It is what it is.






cautiously optimistic...

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:34 AM

Yeah but what we did is ignore a gaping hole and say those crappy guys last year are good enough because this year Rivera will make them better. What? Why didn't he wave his magic stick and do it last year. The four game improvement is not just Rivera, it is going from Clausen to Newton, Chud, and playing Jagaurs, Redskins, Bucs, Colts, and TJ Yates. Plenty of 6-10 teams in the past that fans have thought were close. Seriously the best team we beat that didn't have a 3rd string QB playing was the Redskins, and people think we are going to be good this year with a top 10 D.

Imagine the Panthers as an old clunker car. What we did was get some new shiny rims in place of a critical/crucial part or system. When our clunker breaks down in week six at least we will have a LBers making tackles in 6-8 yard range because that is so the reason we lost so many games last year.

We got rid of a crappy DT in Shirley, but all the means is someone else is a little less crappy. We have one of the worse if not the worse set of DT's in the league. There wouldn't have been another fanbase in the league to cry about Shirley 4 tackles of production being gone like we did.

Its not just me, I've been and still am waiting for someone to tell me give me an example or reason to be excited about them other than "it was their first year they will get better" or "lol they were good they just got doubled go look at the tape". Nick Hayden got "better" ever year, but there wasn't a single year I wanted him in the rotation. Another thing I've been waiting to hear since everyone is saying "we are good" there is for someone to tell me a worse DT rotation in the league.


I think this question has been asked and answered multiple times. You just refuse to acknowledge the answer. Ron Edwards coming back will make a huge difference whether you believe it or not. Fua and McClain will improve this year. Last year they were thrown to the wolves with no offseason or training camp. This year they have had an off-season conditioning program, OTAs and will have training camp. Add that most D linemen make their biggest improvement between year 1 and 2 and there is reason for optimism. Add that Kearse and Neblett were solid when they played last year and we have every reason to think that this year's rotation will be fine. We don't need all pros we need solid guys who can stuff the run and collapse the pocket enough to keep the quarterback from stepping up so easily. Not that hard really.

I think we will be fine actually. We have done a good job over the years without a dominant DT once Jenkins left.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:45 AM

A) We were talking about Fau and McClain and their flashes not Edwards.

B )All you did was say "it was their first year they will get better". Plenty of guys have stayed at their crappy level of play

Give an example of a flash like what Carstens did against Vikings. It doesn't have to be epic like that. Just a that was a solid play. Example: In the Tampa Bay game Fua did a rip move on the center a knocked Blount to the ground for a two yard loss. Didn't happen but with as much as he played he should have done it a couple of times. Please give an example of that. Rookies who are going to do something can make a few plays.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:58 AM

A) We were talking about Fau and McClain and their flashes not Edwards.

B )All you did was say "it was their first year they will get better". Plenty of guys have stayed at their crappy level of play

Give an example of a flash like what Carstens did against Vikings. It doesn't have to be epic like that. Just a that was a solid play. Example: In the Tampa Bay game Fua spilt did a rip move on the center a knocked Blount to the ground for a two yard loss. Didn't happen but with as much as he played he should have done it a couple of times. Please give an example of that. Rookies who are going to do something can make a few plays.


Maybe someone with more free time will care enough to search for a flash but I find it hard to believe that there were none last year. Even blind pigs find the occasional acorn. That whole line of argument is a total non sequitur in regards to whether he will be improved this year. each year stands on its own and there are plenty example of non linear progressions in performance both good and bad.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:14 PM

I think the UT is still a position we could stand to upgrade.I hope McClain improves but coaches and GMs generally dont like to admit a bust in early rounds ie AEdwards..I think its still to early to tell but my guess it will still not be a position of strength.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 04:22 PM

I really hope they do continue to develop...I'm sick and tired of watching the defense get run over week after week. The position group will be improved, I just don't know by how much