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Incredibly Sobering Article by Lavar Arrington

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[quote name='KendrickPanther' timestamp='1339556474' post='1800036']
Lord on a tangent, I hope I never do anything wrong. Prison sounds like hell on earth. Think about that guy that was just exonerated in Cali.
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I did 13 months in San Quentin when I was 19. It was really shitty and monotonous.

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[quote name='CatofWar' timestamp='1339548462' post='1799923']
It's cruel and unusual. The state has no business murdering anyone. The case where the father protected his child is different. He caught the subject while he was engaged in serious sexual assault. By definition of the law he can use deadly force. He did so accidentally.
[/quote]The state does not murder a person convicted of a capital crime. It removes him from our midst. He is judged no longer worthy to share the air of law-abiding people. It punishes him.

It's not murder.

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[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1339556243' post='1800033']


It is incredibly easy to get to a guy that's in AdSeg. Especially when it's a guy that prison guards with children will have zero desire to protect.
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I hope that's the truth cause pos like that don't deserve to relax. Hope they have to watch there backs 24-7.

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I think the message I got from that article was really about making sure you are listening and watching your kids behavoir, encouraging them to be truthful and honest and maintaining an open flow of communication with them. I know I try to do this with my kids but the larger message is that as a society we should be doing that for any kids that are in our sphere of influence.....

I believe 100% a pedi can not be rehabilitated, they only stop when they are caught, the only real deterent is castration

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[quote name='sagaciouspanther' timestamp='1339594669' post='1800251']

I believe 100% a pedi can not be rehabilitated, they only stop when they are caught, the only real deterent is castration
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Castration is not a deterrent just as the death penalty isn't for most criminals as most don't think they will be caught. It deters normal people like you and me who wouldn't kill someone or molest them anyway. And BTW, castration wouldn't necessarily stop someone from committing sex crimes either. And not all offenders are male although the large majority are. Just sayin...............

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1339596131' post='1800277']
[b]Castration is not a deterrent [/b]just as the death penalty isn't for most criminals as most don't think they will be caught. It deters normal people like you and me who wouldn't kill someone or molest them anyway. And BTW, castration wouldn't necessarily stop someone from committing sex crimes either. And not all offenders are male although the large majority are. Just sayin...............
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Seems to be working just fine in the Czech Republic, and from reasearching a bit it seems as if other countries are considering adopting it as a practice....your argument against castration and the death penalty is more morality based then data driven. Simply, the US has not adopted this practice so no real data is present because no studies have been done. Articles written about the veracity of this as a detterent seem to be mostly OP ED pieces written by folks that speak to the morality of castration, and apply meaningless opinions to support their belief that it is wrong. I say try it, take a study where you surgically castrate half of the study and chemically castrate the other half and see what the results are. As far as women pedi's, I don't have a solution for them, I am more concerned about the men because they represent as you said the larger portion of this population

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there is no debate here. not to me. split hairs all you want but a pedophile is a sick individual who very rarely rehabilitates and once caught should never see the light of day again.

you wanna kill him, I don't care. You wanna pay for him to watch the tube, become a lawyer and write a novel, I don't care.

but he never ever ever should be a free man in society again.

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sandusky swag

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[quote name='JJT' timestamp='1339559900' post='1800079']
The state does not murder a person convicted of a capital crime. It removes him from our midst. He is judged no longer worthy to share the air of law-abiding people. It punishes him.

It's not murder.
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Thats only true if the criminal justice system was 100% accurate all the time...it isn't at all...its very corrupt...

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[quote name='sagaciouspanther' timestamp='1339597411' post='1800301']
Seems to be working just fine in the Czech Republic, and from reasearching a bit it seems as if other countries are considering adopting it as a practice....your argument against castration and the death penalty is more morality based then data driven. Simply, the US has not adopted this practice so no real data is present because no studies have been done. Articles written about the veracity of this as a detterent seem to be mostly OP ED pieces written by folks that speak to the morality of castration, and apply meaningless opinions to support their belief that it is wrong. I say try it, take a study where you surgically castrate half of the study and chemically castrate the other half and see what the results are. As far as women pedi's, I don't have a solution for them, I am more concerned about the men because they represent as you said the larger portion of this population
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First of all lets define terms here so we are on the same page. There are two kinds of castration being discussed, surgical and chemical. Surgical is removal of sex organs while chemical castration is the administration of drugs such as with Depo-Provera, cyproterone, or Benperiodal. The medication, depa-provera, is injected every three months and reduces sex drive, ability to be aroused, and sexual fantasies. The effect of the first two drugs is similar to receiving female hormones while the third one is an anti-psychotic. Chemical castration is reversible to an extent while surgical is not.

There are a few states which do allow chemical castration in the case of repeated child molestation including California, Florida, and most recently Louisiana. As for the death penalty, the Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that killing child rapists where the victim was not killed was unconstitutional.

The deterrent component is not fear of offending because you will be castrated but reducing desire and fantasies through drugs which counter the impulses in chemical castration. Obviously surgical castration reduces hormone production permanently essentially making them a eunuch.

Here is a good discussion:

[url="http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Castration_of_sex_offenders"]http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Castration_of_sex_offenders[/url]

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[quote name='JJT' timestamp='1339559900' post='1800079']
The state does not murder a person convicted of a capital crime. It removes him from our midst. He is judged no longer worthy to share the air of law-abiding people. It punishes him.

It's not murder.
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Then why on the death certificate is it listed as homicide?

I'll give you a hint.....

It's murder.

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[quote name='CatofWar' timestamp='1339608805' post='1800499']
Then why on the death certificate is it listed as homicide?

I'll give you a hint.....

It's murder.
[/quote]Homicide is the killing of a man. It's not murder unless the killing is unjustified.

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