Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Secret Superstar: Greg Hardy

31 posts in this topic

Posted · Report post

[img]http://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2011sshardy-150x150.jpg[/img]
[quote]
Seizing an Opportunity

After the departure of both Tyler Brayton and Everette Brown in the offseason Hardy was left almost uncontested for the starting gig that he claimed opposite Charles Johnson under new head coach Ron Rivera. Only three defenders played more snaps for the Panthers last season and Hardy seized the chance to show his full range of skills in his 904 plays.

What he showed was an expanded version of his rookie season, flashes of brilliance but some infuriating inconsistency as well. Displays such as his seven-pressure game in Arizona during Week 1 and a phenomenal display against the Vikings in Week 8 give a tantalizing glimpse of the Panthers’ potential to have one of the best defensive end pairings in the league. But that excitement was tempered by his finish to the season and some dreadful performances in run defenses sprinkled throughout. After finishing 2011 with a grade of -6.7 in his final four games, you have to wonder whether the heavy workload was simply too much for him. Had he stopped in Week 13, his overall grade would have been a mightily impressive +12.9, a ranking around the Top 20 defensive ends in the league.

That can easily be remedied by spelling him more frequently, but what Hardy needs to work on from 2011 is setting the edge on defense against tight ends. Too often in 2011 he was easily sealed inside by tight ends and lead blockers, many of whom are far from exceptional at that job. At his size he should not be getting bullied by tight ends, but his inconsistent play on the edge was a contributing factor to the Panthers having one of the worst outside run defenses in the league last season. He has made plays in his first two seasons against quality edge blockers but the consistency has not been there as he has struggled to strike the balance between setting the edge and attacking the passer within a single performance.



The Next Step

[b]Hardy is more than capable of making the strides necessary to give Carolina an outstanding pair of defensive ends. His eight batted passes were second to only Calais Campbell, more even than Jason Pierre-Paul during the regular season. His 33 QB hurries, albeit on a high number of snaps, were as many as the likes of Terrell Suggs, Dwight Freeney and Jared Allen. If he can only avoid hitting the wall he struck late last season and find that elusive balance between run defense and pass rush, he is primed to explode as a superstar defensive end, not only in his division, but league wide.[/b][/quote]

[url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/15/secret-superstar-greg-hardy-de-carolina-panthers/"]http://www.profootba...olina-panthers/[/url]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Well let's hope he can achieve his full potential. He was one time considered a high first round prospect. We were lucky to steal him in the 6th round. Though, he's too inconsistent at times. Most of the times, he's invisible on the field. Sure, everyone has their own excitement of how good he has looked coming into this season, but let's hope he can develop much better this year than just by his physical looks. This should be his breakout year. I wanna see a double digit sack season. I trust Rivera will help develop this kid into a legit DE across from CJ.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Maybe Rivera and Hurney noticed he got gassed a bit too and that's why they drafted Alexander?
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1339792044' post='1802537']
Maybe Rivera and Hurney noticed he got gassed a bit too and that's why they drafted Alexander?
[/quote]

undoubtedly. between kaiser and alexander we should have a pretty decent rotation to spell guys.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1339792044' post='1802537']
Maybe Rivera and Hurney noticed he got gassed a bit too and that's why they drafted Alexander?
[/quote]
Yup. I think if Coples wasn't too inconsistent in college, he would've been the pick instead of Kuechy. Hardy needs to become consistent and disruptive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Let's argue about his weight.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1339792255' post='1802543']

Yup. I think if Coples wasn't too inconsistent in college, he would've been the pick instead of Kuechy. Hardy needs to become consistent and disruptive.
[/quote]

I mentioned in another thread a while back that Hardy often had a gassed look to him during games last year. Whether it was hands on the hips or even his body language when he'd come off the field he just looked a little out of breath, moreso than most guys do when they take a breather. This isn't to turn this into an argument over his weight or his stamina or anything, just an observation.

However, this could be one of the reasons that the FO took Kuechly instead of a guy like Coples. They may have decided Hardy can be a dominant beast, but only when his tank isn't on empty obviously. Also coincides with what some guys said about Rivera not wanting Hardy to play too heavy last year. Time will tell but I'd rather have a fresh Greg Hardy for 70% of snaps than a tired one for 90%.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Rivera brought up his number of snaps right after the season. Said he would like to rest him a little more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Bring on the Craken good article today in paper

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/14/3318362/panthers-hardy-done-with-motorcycles.html
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Isn't there a video of Rivera on the sideline telling him "Keep it up, I know you're tired but just keep giving me all you got." Something to that effect.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='KissMyConverse' timestamp='1339795816' post='1802593']
Isn't there a video of Rivera on the sideline telling him "Keep it up, I know you're tired but just keep giving me all you got." Something to that effect.
[/quote]


Yeah, it was during the Vikings game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Given his draft status and how he's actually been productive and not regressed. I don't see it being a bad thing if he is just a rotational guy. Alexander and Keiser with Hardy and Johnson. That's not a bad DE Rotation.

If he can increase his sacks by a couple more I'd be fine with it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

You also have to remember the motorcycle wreck that cut into his conditioning and stuff.
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

I guess watching a few games at the end of the season would lead one to believe Hardy was barely average last year.. LOL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Catweisers' timestamp='1339795041' post='1802580']
Bring on the Craken good article today in paper

[url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/14/3318362/panthers-hardy-done-with-motorcycles.html"]http://www.charlotte...otorcycles.html[/url]
[/quote]actually is a great read....
[quote]
Nearly a year after a motorcycle wreck sidetracked his preparations for the 2011 season and left him with abrasions on the left side of his body, Hardy looks to be in the best shape of his life. The 6-foot-4 Hardy weighs 299 pounds – up from his playing weight of 280 last year – and has 14 percent body fat.

“Last year I couldn’t work at all. So I felt like I had to come out and kill it,” Hardy said Thursday after the Panthers’ final minicamp practice.
.
.
.
Panthers coach Ron Rivera named Hardy a starter without ever seeing him play, and Hardy returned to practice about two weeks before the season opener at Arizona. Hardy, a sixth-round pick in 2010 out of Ole Miss, said he felt out of sorts after getting back on the field.

“That whole month off, it just threw you off,” Hardy said. “You come back and put pads on (before) the first game. Practice for one week and have to play the Cardinals. It’s rough.”

Yet, Hardy played well against the Cardinals with five tackles, a sack and two quarterback pressures. He had three sacks in the first five games and appeared headed for a huge year.

But Hardy managed only one sack the rest of the season as he faced more double teams and often had a tight end lined up across from him.

“I had some instances because I was playing over the tight end all year, where I had a little bit of trouble,” Hardy said. “For the most part I had good technique. But I felt like if I got my weight up, I would take my game to the next level.”
Hardy added more protein to his diet, and made the weight room his winter home.

“He’s always been big. Now he’s bigger,” Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. “And the weight he’s gained is good weight.”
While there was a lot of talk outside of the Panthers’ offices calling for the team to draft or sign a pass rusher this offseason, Hurney and Rivera see Hardy as a disruptive force.
.
.
.
The Panthers hope Hardy, with his redistributed weight, can be more effective this season and take some of the pressure off defensive end Charles Johnson, the team leader with nine sacks in 2011.

“He’s put on some weight and kept the same quickness. He shows the desire. He’s done everything to show you that he wants to be very, very good,” Hurney said. “He’s improved. I think the offseason’s helped him a lot. … He’s just got a special knack as far as rushing the passer.”

Rivera talked excitedly about Hardy on Thursday, starting in with praise for him before a reporter could finish a question.
“He’s put a lot of muscle on. He’s only got 14 percent body fat. So we’re pretty excited about what he’s done this offseason. He’s had a great one,” Rivera said. “Last year he had the accident before camp. Him spending the entire offseason here was tremendous. And I’m real excited about what he can become as a football player.”
[color=#000000][left]
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/14/3318362/panthers-hardy-done-with-motorcycles.html#storylink=cpy[/left][/color]
[/quote]but some of our experts in here say he didn't go up to 300ish...that it will hurt him if he did...that he won't maintain it...that he doesn't want to be that weight...that the coaches don't want him there...yada yada yada.
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1339793533' post='1802557']
I mentioned in another thread a while back that Hardy often had a gassed look to him during games last year. Whether it was hands on the hips or even his body language when he'd come off the field he just looked a little out of breath, moreso than most guys do when they take a breather. This isn't to turn this into an argument over his weight or his stamina or anything, just an observation.

However, this could be one of the reasons that the FO took Kuechly instead of a guy like Coples. They may have decided Hardy can be a dominant beast, but only when his tank isn't on empty obviously. Also coincides with what some guys said about Rivera not wanting Hardy to play too heavy last year. Time will tell but I'd rather have a fresh Greg Hardy for 70% of snaps than a tired one for 90%.
[/quote]

Adding extra weight will not help him if he has issues with getting gassed. People see someone bulk up in the NFL and think its a good thing but most of the time it isn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='B.B.' timestamp='1339802150' post='1802672']
Adding extra weight will not help him if he has issues with getting gassed. People see someone bulk up in the NFL and think its a good thing but most of the time it isn't.
[/quote]

if it is true, there's no way he stays 300 halfway through the season...



edit: then again... maybe he can..

[quote][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]“He’s always been big. Now he’s bigger,” Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. “And the weight he’s gained is good weight.”[/size][/font][/color]

Read more here: [url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/14/3318362/panthers-hardy-done-with-motorcycles.html#storylink=cpy"]http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy[/url][/quote]




[quote]
[color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]“He’s put on some weight and kept the same quickness. He shows the desire. He’s done everything to show you that he wants to be very, very good,” Hurney said. “He’s improved. I think the offseason’s helped him a lot. … He’s just got a special knack as far as rushing the passer.”[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Rivera talked excitedly about Hardy on Thursday, starting in with praise for him before a reporter could finish a question.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]“He’s put a lot of muscle on. He’s only got 14 percent body fat. So we’re pretty excited about what he’s done this offseason. He’s had a great one,” Rivera said. “Last year he had the accident before camp. Him spending the entire offseason here was tremendous. And I’m real excited about what he can become as a football player.”[/size][/font][/color]
[left]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=2]Read more here: [url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/14/3318362/panthers-hardy-done-with-motorcycles.html#storylink=cpy"]http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy[/url][/size][/font][/color][/left]

[/quote]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Hardy will break out this year, with pressure coming from Alexander, Applewhite, and Keiser I expect Greg to play like he did in the first four games of last season throughout the entire season this year. He also has that added extra weight so he can now add some more moves (bull rush) to his already pretty good arsenal of moves. I think Hardy really turns it on this year.

Prediction: 8 to 10 sacks, 60 to 70 tackles, 2-3 forced fumbles, and maybe 1 interception. Also don't forget, Hardy averages 1 safety per year so hopefully he can add another one this year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

i expect that the bookends of johnson and hardy will be brutal this year.

now if we could only get our DTs to occupy 3-4 blockers we'd be set.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='CarolinaPanthers8789' timestamp='1339811727' post='1802760']
Hardy will break out this year, with pressure coming from Alexander, Applewhite, and Keiser I expect Greg to play like he did in the first four games of last season throughout the entire season this year. He also has that added extra weight so he can now add some more moves (bull rush) to his already pretty good arsenal of moves. I think Hardy really turns it on this year.

Prediction: 8 to 10 sacks, 60 to 70 tackles, 2-3 forced fumbles, and maybe 1 interception. Also don't forget, Hardy averages 1 safety per year so hopefully he can add another one this year.
[/quote]

Don't forget the batted balls. He seems to have a knack for that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1339814690' post='1802778']
i expect that the bookends of johnson and hardy will be brutal this year.

now if we could only get our DTs to occupy 3-4 blockers we'd be set.
[/quote]

I'd be happy if they could just occupy 2, it'd be an improvement.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[img]http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/uploads/profile/photo-thumb-321.jpg?_r=0[/img]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

i remember when rivera said Hardy was doing well at the beginning of the season but was not doing exactly what rivera wanted him to do in the "System".

notice when hardy started to drop off statically our defense started to become a little better. since our DT situation was terrible, hardy had to do some extra thins that he wouldnt normally have to do. rivera had to work with what he had and he used hardy for his scmeme rather that use hardy like a typical DE. (probably pinching, crashing to help condense or clog up the middle. the guy is a beast and he could bull people and make a pile)

this year our DT situation will most likely be better, and hardy will do what he started to do in thee 2011 season bedfore rivera finally convinced him to work scematically.

im tellin ya fellas. IM RIGHT lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1339797801' post='1802627']
actually is a great read....
but some of our experts in here say he didn't go up to 300ish...that it will hurt him if he did...that he won't maintain it...that he doesn't want to be that weight...that the coaches don't want him there...yada yada yada.
[/quote] talking out of one's ass is quite common. Lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

[quote name='pantherclaw' timestamp='1339824517' post='1802855']
talking out of one's ass is quite common. Lol
[/quote]

It seems to be a membership requirement around here these days.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites