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#16 BBQ&Beer

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:21 PM

Impose.... there are those out there who do go about things the wrong way no doubt about it. Don't be discouraged by this. They only want whats best for you. These things aren't done in selfishness. So many "placebo" christians have done the devils work for him by cluttering the way for the faithful, and no the true christians do NOT think they are better than anyone else. We are all sinners and still sin. I've sinned today probably multiple times. God forgive me, but we are imperfect.

Anyways I have imposed upon no one. The original poster is calling these people bigots for what they believe... then are not those opposed to christians stating what they believe doing much the same? Are homosexual marriage supporters not imposing upon christians beliefs. Forcing kids in MA to be taught that gay marriage is ok agianst there parents religions beliefs.

Last thing believe me I do apologize my grammer can be terrible at times. I care to get my feelings across though its not aslways pretty. Whether you believe or not I hope God blesses you and yours and maybe someday you'll thank him for it.


Ok... one of the problems with your logic... I can prove homosexuals exist.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:26 PM

YOU can believe whatever the hell you want. However, YOUR religious beliefs do not get to dictate OTHER PEOPLE'S freedoms. YOUR religious beliefs don't get to act in a way that marginalizes another group of people. What if your religious beliefs, IDK....stated that slavery is OK? Oh wait, it does. Never mind.

Teaching kids that being gay is normal is fine
Get my point?. It's science. Check various species. It's there. Gay people didn't just "become" in the last few decades. They've always been. The fact that they're no longer closeted because of people like you who would have them shackled in fear is not a demonstration of any "agenda" except equality.


So your arguement is science..... you talking about reptiles/ amphibians what ever that have the ability to NATURALLY change sexs... how many men you seen grow female reproductive organs (birth defects aside). I've heard of females growing there clitoris out into a penis with the help of docters/ hormones/ testosterone.. not NATURAL.

Secondly them telling A man he can't filter his kids knowledge of the morality of Homosexuality isn't the same thing your' accusing Christianity of? His religious freedem in the 1st admendment says he should be able to stop his son from being taught that what he knows as sin is ok. IS THAT NOT WHY THE BIBLE WAS TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOL? Its funny how things work one way now-a-days. Answer that what is the difference? The Bible offends some... well Homosexuality offends others WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT? Me not so much I just know its not right. I just can't help but loling(and I apoloogize) at your insistance that science approves of a same gender choice in which a species can't procreate.

Guess what, You don't have to read the Bible in Mass. But you do have to be taught that gay marrige is ok?

Who just got violated? The answer is pretty obvious. So now people are squabbling over the creation of something that has never existed but are sure its their right?

hmm why don't gay rights advocates push for a legal binding thats not called marriage? Just some kind of benifit w/ taxes and healthcare you know why? Because it is a direct attack on christianity and the bible. Plain and simple

Your post is very accusatory and aggressive. I'm not imposing anything. Why are you so threatened by Christianity? Is it because you fear deep down that we are right...... I'll pray that you come to the correct conclusion.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:28 PM

Any so called Christian who acts the way the above cartoon portrays isn't really understanding how Christians are actually supposed to act. We aren't supposed to hate anyone. I know I sure as hell don't hate gay people. I have gay friends. I don't agree with what they do, because I believe it is a sin, and I hate the act, but not the person. We all sin. I tell lies, lust, etc. so I am no better than anyone else. All sin is equal so we are all on even ground. A Christian shouldn't hate anyone for sinning no matter what the sin may be, but it doesn't mean we may not disagree with the act. Christians shouldn't believe they are better than anyone else either. We are forgiven for our sins, but we are still sinners. Don't hate anyone.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:38 PM

Ok... one of the problems with your logic... I can prove homosexuals exist.


Dude what if we are in the matrix do we even exist? lol logic logic brought us cause and effect right? Which leads to the you can't get something from nothing... but thats been so played out atheist just ingore that there scientific logic fail point leads to supreme being causing creation. Simply you can't get something from nothing- SOMEthing created the universe and guess what! I know who :)

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:45 PM

So your arguement is science..... you talking about reptiles/ amphibians what ever that have the ability to NATURALLY change sexs... how many men you seen grow female reproductive organs (birth defects aside). I've heard of females growing there clitoris out into a penis with the help of docters/ hormones/ testosterone.. not NATURAL.


He didn't say anything about animals changing sexes. He was referring to same-sex attraction amongst other animals, which occurs in 1,500 to 2,000 known species. Regardless, that's an irrelevant argument and doesn't change things one way or another, just a response to the tired "unnatural" argument.

Eyeglasses and synthetic fibres are not natural either. That's not a valid argument in prohibiting something. If we only accepted natural things we would still live like animals like they did in biblical times.

Secondly them telling A man he can't filter his kids knowledge of the morality of Homosexuality isn't the same thing your' accusing Christianity of?


First of all, he can. He can put his child in a religious school that teaches what he wants. Teaching an acceptance of same-sex attraction is not a religious teaching. It's a social thing that you are the one applying your religion to, thus it has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of religion as it pertains to the first amendment.

I personally don't think 'teaching' acceptance of black people or white people or gay people or anyone is something that needs to be done in schools, but simply on grounds that it's a waste of time, not because of your imagined right to shield your kid from an idea because of your religion.

His religious freedem in the 1st admendment says he should be able to stop his son from being taught that what he knows as sin is ok. IS THAT NOT WHY THE BIBLE WAS TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOL? Its funny how things work one way now-a-days.


No, it doesn't say that. Like I addressed in my last comment, you don't have the right to use your religion to dictate what is taught in school when it's not a religious discussion. It's a discussion about same-sex attraction, not religion. If you arbitrarily decide that math is against your religion, you don't have the right to prevent it from being taught, only to remove your child from that school and put her in one that teaches what you want.

Answer that what is the difference? The Bible offends some... well Homosexuality offends others WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT?



The difference is that nobody is trying to ban christian marriage.


Me not so much I just know its not right. I just can't help but loling(and I apoloogize) at your insistance that science approves of a same gender choice in which a species can't procreate.



Being gay doesn't make a person sterile. They can procreate.

hmm why don't gay rights advocates push for a legal binding thats not called marriage? Just some kind of benifit w/ taxes and healthcare you know why? Because it is a direct attack on christianity and the bible. Plain and simple


This may come as a shock to you, but christians didn't invent marriage, and it existed before the bible was written. In fact, gay marriage existed before the Bible was written. They are traditional and commonplace and accepted throughout ancient history. Cicero wrote extensively on the subject, mentioning several gay marriages between men, including some of the first Emperors. Same-sex marriage didn't start being banned until Christianity took control of (and subsequently collapsed) Rome. They were also common in China and in the Norse countries.

Christians are not the center of the universe. They are not the most popular religion in the world, they are not the oldest, and not everything is about your religion. Life existed before it, and it will exist after it. Christianity is absolutely irrelevant to homosexuals or their rights.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:49 PM

Dude what if we are in the matrix do we even exist? lol logic logic brought us cause and effect right? Which leads to the you can't get something from nothing... but thats been so played out atheist just ingore that there scientific logic fail point leads to supreme being causing creation. Simply you can't get something from nothing- SOMEthing created the universe and guess what! I know who :)


Actually, turns out you can get something from nothing.
http://m.youtube.com...mvlS8PLIo&gl=US

& I can still prove that homosexuals exist.








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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:30 AM

So your arguement is science..... you talking about reptiles/ amphibians what ever that have the ability to NATURALLY change sexs... how many men you seen grow female reproductive organs (birth defects aside). I've heard of females growing there clitoris out into a penis with the help of docters/ hormones/ testosterone.. not NATURAL.


No, I'm talking about thousands upon thousands of species of animals, including other mammals (apes are a part of that. specifically, the Bonobo, for example). Natural. Try again.

Secondly them telling A man he can't filter his kids knowledge of the morality of Homosexuality isn't the same thing your' accusing Christianity of? His religious freedem in the 1st admendment says he should be able to stop his son from being taught that what he knows as sin is ok. IS THAT NOT WHY THE BIBLE WAS TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOL? Its funny how things work one way now-a-days. Answer that what is the difference? The Bible offends some... well Homosexuality offends others WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT? Me not so much I just know its not right. I just can't help but loling(and I apoloogize) at your insistance that science approves of a same gender choice in which a species can't procreate.


You can teach your kid any bigoted view you want. However, if a teacher says "being gay is natural", well, he's right. Get over it. You have the freedom to exercise your religion. You do not have the freedom to tell state funded schools how to teach based on YOUR religious beliefs. What part of that do you not get? If two consenting adults offend you, you have issues. Get over them. The bible offends some because it says women are below men, that slavery is ok, and that you should kill your unruly children. Much worse than two men or two women saying "I love you" and being happy.

hmm why don't gay rights advocates push for a legal binding thats not called marriage? Just some kind of benifit w/ taxes and healthcare you know why? Because it is a direct attack on christianity and the bible. Plain and simple

Your post is very accusatory and aggressive. I'm not imposing anything. Why are you so threatened by Christianity? Is it because you fear deep down that we are right...... I'll pray that you come to the correct conclusion.



Because that is separate but equal policy. It's the same argument as "why integrate? give the blacks equal stuff, but don't let them share stuff with whites. That's an attack on white culture". Nothing is attacking Christianity nor the bible. Nothing is oppressing the ~80% of US citizens, because you can't oppress the overwhelming majority. It's not possible. Meanwhile, you're attacking gay people and screaming that it should be OK because it's your religion. Your freedom to swing your arm ends at my nose. Here is how the analogy goes: you can swing your arm freely. You can throw your arm anywhere you want in any way you want. However, the minute your hand touches another person, you have violated THAT person's rights. That is what YOU are doing. We're not telling you that you have to be gay. We're telling you that you can't tell other people they can't do or be certain things or act in a certain way because you're not gay.


I am accusing you because you ARE imposing. Or at the very least, you wish to impose, which is just as bad, because the intent is there, and intent means a lot. I do not fear Christianity or any other religion is right, because it isn't. I come off as "attacking", because Christians love attacking people (evidence: the spanish inquisition, the crusades, 30 years war, the holocaust, the gay rights movement, and the US constitution by way of putting god on everything in the government). So, yes, I am a bit angry at religion. Religion has caused some of the greatest atrocities and injustices in the world (the pope covering up child molestation and getting away with it, for example). The minute you and your ilk stop, I'll stop.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:38 AM

Actually, turns out you can get something from nothing.
http://m.youtube.com...mvlS8PLIo&gl=US

& I can still prove that homosexuals exist.



I thought initially you were going to link to a video on abiogenesis. Either way, it works. The tired argument of "something can't come from nothing, except my god of course". Special pleading is fun. -_-

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:45 AM

Dude what if we are in the matrix do we even exist? lol logic logic brought us cause and effect right? Which leads to the you can't get something from nothing... but thats been so played out atheist just ingore that there scientific logic fail point leads to supreme being causing creation. Simply you can't get something from nothing- SOMEthing created the universe and guess what! I know who :)


So who created God?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:52 AM

So your arguement is science..... you talking about reptiles/ amphibians what ever that have the ability to NATURALLY change sexs... how many men you seen grow female reproductive organs (birth defects aside). I've heard of females growing there clitoris out into a penis with the help of docters/ hormones/ testosterone.. not NATURAL.

Secondly them telling A man he can't filter his kids knowledge of the morality of Homosexuality isn't the same thing your' accusing Christianity of? His religious freedem in the 1st admendment says he should be able to stop his son from being taught that what he knows as sin is ok. IS THAT NOT WHY THE BIBLE WAS TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOL? Its funny how things work one way now-a-days. Answer that what is the difference? The Bible offends some... well Homosexuality offends others WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT? Me not so much I just know its not right. I just can't help but loling(and I apoloogize) at your insistance that science approves of a same gender choice in which a species can't procreate.

Guess what, You don't have to read the Bible in Mass. But you do have to be taught that gay marrige is ok?

Who just got violated? The answer is pretty obvious. So now people are squabbling over the creation of something that has never existed but are sure its their right?

hmm why don't gay rights advocates push for a legal binding thats not called marriage? Just some kind of benifit w/ taxes and healthcare you know why? Because it is a direct attack on christianity and the bible. Plain and simple

Your post is very accusatory and aggressive. I'm not imposing anything. Why are you so threatened by Christianity? Is it because you fear deep down that we are right...... I'll pray that you come to the correct conclusion.


I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BUT MY POSTS ARE NOT AGGRESSIVE. I approve of bans on gay marriage but I'm not imposing anything!!!

You don't need to *teach* kids that gay marriage is okay unless they've already been *taught* it isn't. The big thing you are missing here is that "teaching the Bible in school" is not the same as "teaching" that gay marriage is okay. You might have a point if in Massachusetts they were teaching that straight marriage wasn't okay, but gay marriage is. Or if the Quran was being taught in schools over the Bible. Neither are the case.

You are so wrong on so many levels... The reason gay advocates push for gay marriage is because we already know that separate is not equal, and they deserve equality.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:08 AM

Impose.... there are those out there who do go about things the wrong way no doubt about it. Don't be discouraged by this. They only want whats best for you. These things aren't done in selfishness. So many "placebo" Christians have done the devils work for him by cluttering the way for the faithful, and no the true Christians do NOT think they are better than anyone else. We are all sinners and still sin. I've sinned today probably multiple times. God forgive me, but we are imperfect.

Anyways I have imposed upon no one. The original poster is calling these people bigots for what they believe... then are not those opposed to Christians stating what they believe doing much the same? Are homosexual marriage supporters not imposing upon Christians beliefs. Forcing kids in MA to be taught that gay marriage is OK against there parents religions beliefs.

Last thing believe me I do apologize my gramme can be terrible at times. I care to get my feelings across though its not always pretty. Whether you believe or not I hope God blesses you and yours and maybe someday you'll thank him for it.


Tb,

Thanks for the response.

Imagine if you lived in a society where there wasn't religious freedom. A vote was taken and Christians lost. They now had to turn in all their Bibles in for Korans and all the Churches were converted to Mosques. How would that make you feel? Unjustly discriminated against? Oppressed?

You might even say to yourself, "Why do they care? I was not imposing on them. How is what I do in the privacy of my own home their concern? All good questions.

Tonight there are gay couples asking similar questions.

Look to Jesus' teachings and tell me where he says it is OK to hate gay people.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:37 AM

Any so called Christian who acts the way the above cartoon portrays isn't really understanding how Christians are actually supposed to act. We aren't supposed to hate anyone. I know I sure as hell don't hate gay people. I have gay friends. I don't agree with what they do, because I believe it is a sin, and I hate the act, but not the person. We all sin. I tell lies, lust, etc. so I am no better than anyone else. All sin is equal so we are all on even ground. A Christian shouldn't hate anyone for sinning no matter what the sin may be, but it doesn't mean we may not disagree with the act. Christians shouldn't believe they are better than anyone else either. We are forgiven for our sins, but we are still sinners. Don't hate anyone.


as long as you don't support denying the rights of gay people then good on you

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:04 AM

You can argue anything and come up with a retort to anything. I will not push this debate any further. Its not my nor his will that I should argue points of fact or fiction. When I stand before the Throne of Judgement I will not be asked why I did not stand up for the almighty here though I am ashamed to say there are times when I should have and didn't. Thus my work is done you have been shown the way. My advice is to sit in quiet contemplation of the world and of Morality and make your own descision. Do you ever just slow down and call it meditate or pray what have you. You should sometime. Suprising conclusions can be reached when you block out the world for a little while.
Just know that whatever your stance I wish well upon you all. If you want a utopia you will never find it here on earth.

Bless you all and Go Panthers! ps if theres a spell check on here I dont know where sorry don't have time to correct everything.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:32 AM

as long as you don't support denying the rights of gay people then good on you

as long as you don't support denying the rights of gay people then good on you


The law of the U.S. and Chrisitan sins are separate. It doesn't matter to me if gay marriage is allowed. I still think the act is wrong. I think one night stands are wrong too, but I don't think the government should make them illegal. I just think that we should try to avoid it any way.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:41 AM

Any so called Christian who acts the way the above cartoon portrays isn't really understanding how Christians are actually supposed to act. We aren't supposed to hate anyone. I know I sure as hell don't hate gay people. I have gay friends. I don't agree with what they do, because I believe it is a sin, and I hate the act, but not the person. We all sin. I tell lies, lust, etc. so I am no better than anyone else. All sin is equal so we are all on even ground. A Christian shouldn't hate anyone for sinning no matter what the sin may be, but it doesn't mean we may not disagree with the act. Christians shouldn't believe they are better than anyone else either. We are forgiven for our sins, but we are still sinners. Don't hate anyone.


I don't...and do you tell your gay friends what they are doing is wrong and/or a sin? I bet they wouldn't be friends with you if you did. Me I couldn't care less what two consenting adults do to each other.

If God created everything then he created teh ghey and therefore should be welcomed and loved by all Christians.

Now if a Christian has an issue with teh scissoring or buttsechs simply allow them to get married so they can avoid the sin of premarital sex



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