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Why do you believe in God?

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There is a compatibility only in that religion is able to be rewritten and changed according to the new truths that science makes us aware of. Were there true synthesis, there would be a scenario where science adapted or benefited to a new discovery that religion brought us. Can you think of a time when that happened?

i agree with you.

establishment christians filter new information (read: science) through the lens of what they already believe, rather than using that new data to continually re-think their views. there's this mistaken idea that "the bible will be proven wrong" if big bad science is accepted, whereas the truth of it is that "MY interpretation of the bible will be proven wrong." therein lies the motivation. think of how many commonly-held biblical tenets could be called into question.

what irks me is that these people insist on dividing the realm of knowledge into fact-based versus faith-based. isn't something based on faith first based on facts that give you a reason to have faith in the first place? moreover, if the bible is as transcendent and immune to the ages as claimed, why not test it out? why not be willing to ask questions and to explore and to reconsider one's theological position?

did god not endow us with a sense of reason and intellect? could he have possibly intended us to forgo its use?

we've seen this sort of thing before, btw... the church was not very pleased with the scientific discovery that showed the earth as revolving around the sun. medieval theologians went apeshit because it destroyed one of the foundations of their faith. hundreds of years later it's no biggie.

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and by synthesis i don't mean both of them agreeing with one another in some holistic march towards a grand unification or anything, i mean that a basically static religious paradigm is perfectly compatible with an empirical scientific one (as far as the theists go, anyway; reciprocation by an atheist would not be equally as viable for obvious reasons.)

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There is proof of concept of life. We exist, we are on a planet, we are alive, and we have traveled into space. That is why belief in alien life isn't ridiculed, because we are life and therefor we are conclusive proof that it happens.

There is no such proof of concept for a god.

"Why not?" is an extraordinarily flimsy argument for believing in something. It's completely anti-intellectual, especially when the "Why?" hasn't been answered yet.

Its not a argument per se but rather a counter question. And in all honesty its a practice that I apply in business to great effect when discussing something we should or shouldn't do. You say "why" I say "why not" Its just who I am. But that's beside the point...

Ive been thinking about the parallels between believing in aliens and believing in God and for me they are remarkably similar.

There is no direct evidence of either.

People claim to have seen/interacted with both God and aliens.

There is archeological and anthropological evidence that people have believed in them both for thousands of years.

Religions have been devised in the name of both aliens and God.

I mean on the whole the only glaring difference is that there haven't been wars fought in the name of aliens (not yet anyway).

If in fact they exist we have no real basis for assuming what form they would take or what their capabilities might be.

So from now on I'm going to refer to both God and Aliens as ETI - ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence

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There is proof of concept of life. We exist, we are on a planet, we are alive, and we have traveled into space. That is why belief in alien life isn't ridiculed, because we are life and therefor we are conclusive proof that it happens.

There is no such proof of concept for a god.

"Why not?" is an extraordinarily flimsy argument for believing in something. It's completely anti-intellectual, especially when the "Why?" hasn't been answered yet.

While I happen to agree with you, one could make the argument that we as humans have also created life scietifically, playing "god" if you will, with organisms as simple as single cells (manipulated to do our bidding), to cloning and massive gentic engineering experiments with crops/bioengineering.

I'm reaching a bit, but it could be argued.

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I'm torn on religion I have faith in God but the older I get the more I question religion and according to my GF I will burn in hell if I don't stop questioning God.

I think questioning is part of the growth purpose.

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god = aliens

end of story

off to reddit to try this line of thinking in r/atheism

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God is whatever you want, however you define, and however you use it. Some people need it for voids, some don't.

For me, God is a pool...a natural matrix of all; and I actually died and was revived the other week :)

And now concerning the more physical earth-based storytelling "God":

Basically there were early advanced/evolved beings on Earth that tried to survive through the last major cataclysms and their remaining population interbred with humans thus allowing earl advanced civilizations in South America, Atlantis, Egypt, and India to develop. The head figures were viewed as deities and the lesser evolved interpreted everything as above their payroll thinking "What the flying f*ck is all of this sh*t??"

Over time, the newly emerging hybrids de-evolved from the advanced side of things and evolved from lower primates and basically met in the middle to form the current human model. That's why we have a duality between the conscious and physical self. After the cataclysms ended and the ice age ended around 10,500...newer civilizations were propped up around the world some on top of the older monuments and buildings further clouding our history. Egypt had documented a lot and did it pretty well but was sh*t on by the emerging monotheistic war based powers.

gods and then eventually God became misinterpreted as a deistic worldy being who oversees our inner and outer actions which helped prop up the current global model.

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There's good reason to believe in God, or believe that He exists. Just look at the universe. Mostly 99.9% of everything is non-living material. In other words, most things in this universe do not have a conscience. In fact, considering what we think happened in the early universe, it began with things that had no conscience. The universe should have remained with things having no consciousness. Yet all of a sudden, you have living organisms coming out of nowhere. Now, scientists believe they will one day explain how living organisms came about with the study of abiogenesis. Yet, we still haven't fully figured out what consciousness is, much less how it came into being. So this is just one reason for me as to why I believe God exists.

With that said, believing God exists does absolutely nothing. If we are talking in terms of morality and Heaven/Hell, does a criminal's belief in the existence of cops and judges stop him from going to jail? So belief in God means nothing.

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There's good reason to believe in God, or believe that He exists. Just look at the universe. Mostly 99.9% of everything is non-living material. In other words, most things in this universe do not have a conscience. In fact, considering what we think happened in the early universe, it began with things that had no conscience. The universe should have remained with things having no consciousness. Yet all of a sudden, you have living organisms coming out of nowhere. Now, scientists believe they will one day explain how living organisms came about with the study of abiogenesis. Yet, we still haven't fully figured out what consciousness is, much less how it came into being. So this is just one reason for me as to why I believe God exists.

That's the important part hence why "living material" is simply receiver bodies that imo generate different wavelengths of the same consciousness. We are all different receivers of the same consciousness: god. That's imo why many buddhists in the deepest of reflections come to this notion, same with those who experience isolation tanks, same even with many of Jesus' words unobstructed by the many translations.

You would probably dig Peter Russell imo (not for a 4th party night like tonight, but for when you're feelin' like a good listen)

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That's the important part hence why "living material" is simply receiver bodies that imo generate different wavelengths of the same consciousness. We are all different receivers of the same consciousness: god. That's imo why many buddhists in the deepest of reflections come to this notion, same with those who experience isolation tanks, same even with many of Jesus' words unobstructed by the many translations.

You would probably dig Peter Russell imo (not for a 4th party night like tonight, but for when you're feelin' like a good listen)

I believe just as there's reason to believe God exists, there should also be reason to believe a certain God or gods exist. Of course, they all can't be right. I believe all of these people have stumbled upon spiritual awareness, but do they comprehend what they've stumbled across?

I believe at one point in human history, we knew the complete truth. Yet as we grew and spread over the world, that truth was distorted, and is the reason we have all the religions and spiritual beliefs we have today. The only way we will know the complete truth again, is if God or our creator tell it to us. So while they have stumbled upon some things, they do not know the complete truth.

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