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#21 Mr. Scot

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:49 AM

Straight ahead answer folks. Tell me what's factually incorrect about this statement:

"Some people believe that a higher power exists, and that this higher power created everything."

If there's nothing factually incorrect about that, then what's the big deal about saying that in a classroom?

You don't have to teach the Bible, don't have to say the name "God", don't have to mention any specific religion, none of it. All you have to do is make the above statement, and you've acknowledged intelligent design.

Explain to me the big deal about that.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:51 AM

Probably shouldn't wade into this, but why the hell not...

I guess the question would be not that whether they could be a legitimate scientist because I think that they could, but could they be non-biased and look at the facts and data objectively.

If someone has faith in a religion that says the universe was created, as the bible says in "days", can they objectively look at data that says the universe is so old it's beyond comprehension? What do they then believe? Their faith or the data? Can you truly study something and come up with answers that you personally believe to be false?


Is an atheist who believes nothing in the Bible could possibly be true "objective"?

Do you honestly think anybody comes to the table completely devoid of preconceived notions?

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:52 AM

Having attended a private school, we had an entire week to put down the textbooks (as voted on by the class) to discuss Religion vs. Science/Evolution in our 11th grade Bio class.

There was a show of hands for who believed in evolution before our discussion (it was about a 25 person class) and maybe 8 or 9 of us raised our hands. By weeks end the question was asked again and the entire class had their hands raised.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:54 AM

Having attended a private school, we had an entire week to put down the textbooks (as voted on by the class) to discuss Religion vs. Science/Evolution in our 11th grade Bio class.

There was a show of hands for who believed in evolution before our discussion (it was about a 25 person class) and maybe 8 or 9 of us raised our hands. By weeks end the question was asked again and the entire class had their hands raised.


Wait, you mean the acknowledgement of religious theories didn't turn you all into zealots?

Impossible! :wacko:

Everyone knows you can't even talk about the existence of religion or you'll mess with everybody's head!

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:56 AM

Straight ahead answer folks. Tell me what's factually incorrect about this statement:

"Some people believe that a higher power exists, and that this higher power created everything."

If there's nothing factually incorrect about that, then what's the big deal about saying that in a classroom?

You don't have to teach the Bible, don't have to say the name "God", don't have to mention any specific religion, none of it. All you have to do is make the above statement, and you've acknowledged intelligent design.

Explain to me the big deal about that.


Some people believe the Holocaust didn't happen. Should they have to say that in a History Class when teaching about the Holocaust?

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

The jews were killed by fire breathing dragons disguised as dinosaurs, duh

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

Some people believe the Holocaust didn't happen. Should they have to say that in a History Class when teaching about the Holocaust?


Is it a falsehood to say so?

Saying "some people believe" whatever does not constitute endorsement, just an acknowledgement of fact.

I'd add that there are significantly more people who would believe in intelligent design - or at least the possibility of it - than there are people who take denial of the Holocaust seriously.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

Is an atheist who believes nothing in the Bible could possibly be true "objective"?

Do you honestly think anybody comes to the table completely devoid of preconceived notions?


No

but in what scenario would this matter? Are you talking in regards to science? Are you suggesting the Bible is scientific evidence?

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

who made God? I mean they say something can't just appear, what about God?

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:59 AM

WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE CONTROVERSY! of Jews being killed by fire breathing dinos since it can't be "proved" that they didn't do it, disguised as Nazis.

After all the devil would totally use fire breating dinos disguised as Nazis to do his dirty work