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#46 Mage

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:53 PM

Sorry, I love Newton, but how in the hell do people have him over Romo?

Will he eventually? Possibly. But Romo was terrific last season. Newton still has a lot he needs to improve on. I believe he can. But as of now, I don't see how someone ranking him at 15th or so is laughable. Personally, I've got him at 12th.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:57 PM

Don't forget about Matthew Stafford

I think they are about even....but the arguement could be made.

Cam's leg make up some ground and a lot of what Stafford does is just Megatron being a beast. Kid does have an arm and is a better passer at the moment

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:01 PM

NFC South breakdown of the same thing. http://espn.go.com/b...am-newton-no-15

Has a few different pieces than the first article posted. My favorite part:

He played very well from the pocket. I saw it Week 1 against the Arizona Cardinals. This was the second series of the game. It was 3rd and 7. Newton recognized the blitz, and he changed the protection to account for it.

I must have watched this play 15 times. The blitz was well-disguised. I saw no indicator right here that overload blitz pressure from the backside was coming. Yet Newton saw something, and he slid his offensive line to that side. One essential attribute to reach elite status is the mental ability to recognize and defeat the defense before the snap of the ball.



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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:39 AM

Well...the only thing these guys have that Cam doesn't...a SuperBowl ring. Just meaning that Cam still has a lot to prove. He has an uncanny ability to break down defenses, but let's not assume there won't be any growing pains. He wasn't mistake free last year and he won't be this year either. He definitely has top ten talent, he probably is the 7-10 best QB in the league on any given day. Much if what he does is intuitive/instinctual. He's not top 5 and won't be this year. Those Bree's, Manning, Rogers types have managed to take their raw talent and add that intellectual touch, when they truly lead a team. Cam's smart, no doubt, so the raw materials are there.

Can he not just propel this offense (a formidable one to be sure) but LEAD this team to a playoff berth in only his second year? Will the leadership be there?

I think Cam has preferred to do his leading on the field and in the media. The sideline, locker room and practice field seem to be a different story. Cam has admitted this, so that is a good sign.

I don't think he takes us to the promised land this year, but maybe in 2-3 years. If he doesn't win a ring here, he might go elsewhere.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:59 AM

Sorry, I love Newton, but how in the hell do people have him over Romo?

Will he eventually? Possibly. But Romo was terrific last season. Newton still has a lot he needs to improve on. I believe he can. But as of now, I don't see how someone ranking him at 15th or so is laughable. Personally, I've got him at 12th.


My opinion of Romo isn't that high, honestly.

As QBs go, he's an automatic transmission (no clutch).

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:23 AM

I think Cam will have a great career. The Carolina Panthers finally have a Franchise QB!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:15 PM

My opinion of Romo isn't that high, honestly.

As QBs go, he's an automatic transmission (no clutch).

agreed. dude deserves every bit of criticism he gets.

last year before the season started he said he needed to help lead that team. this year he said he's ready to step up and be a leader. he's seen by even cowboy fans as just a check collector. someone who's good and can pile on a few numbers year after year, but who isn't good enough to get the team where it needs to be. he isn't a guy who can rally the players. i think he's in a system that allows for a lot in the stat department, but he just isn't a guy that you can build a team around. (much like kevin kolb in philly)

he's just not that good. he fits perfectly what jerrah jones has created down there. a little flash but no substance.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:13 PM

agreed. dude deserves every bit of criticism he gets.

last year before the season started he said he needed to help lead that team. this year he said he's ready to step up and be a leader. he's seen by even cowboy fans as just a check collector. someone who's good and can pile on a few numbers year after year, but who isn't good enough to get the team where it needs to be. he isn't a guy who can rally the players. i think he's in a system that allows for a lot in the stat department, but he just isn't a guy that you can build a team around. (much like kevin kolb in philly)


This is far from the truth. He's carried Dallas for the past couple of years now. Witten is slow as dirt. Bryant struggles to know his routes. Austin is often injured. His offensive line is below average. Defense is shoddy. Romo put his team in position to beat Arizona. What happens? Kicker misses. Romo, in less than a minute, gets his team down into field goal range to win the game. What happens? Kicker misses. Romo throws 300+ yards and 4 touchdowns in a game and guess what? His defense craps the bed and we're actually going to blame him for that? We're going to say Romo is the issue with Dallas?

It's unwarranted hate. Besides, even if all of this is true, it isn't as if Newton has proven he is clutch either or at least no more than Romo is. Look, I love Newton as much as the next guy. But as of NOW, he should not be ahead of Romo. I don't see the issue with that. Romo has 6 straight seasons of a 90+ quarterback rating and last season, had 66% completion percentage, 31 touchdowns to only 10 interceptions (only a 1.9 INT% - that is terrific) despite an average at best supporting cast not to mention a horrific defense.

Be honest. If Newton put up those numbers and Carolina still finished 8-8, how would you react if someone said, "Newton is just put in a situation where those numbers are easy but you can't build around him"? I'm not saying you are biased or anything. But there is obviously something there that makes people hate on Romo more than they would their own quarterback. There is no reason not to consider Romo a very good quarterback. Yes, going forward, I want Newton. But as of RIGHT NOW, I just can't see how anybody can rank Cam over Romo.

And comparing him to Kevin Kolb? Really? Kolb was never good. His TD% and INT% were identical in his final year with the team in 2010.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

Also, as for Romo being unclutch, just to go along with the fact he had his team in position to win many games, here is a nugget for you.

In the fourth quarter, whenever the game was within 7, Romo had 60.8%, 8.55 Y/A, 6 TDs, 2 INTs, and a 99.8 QBR. Better than the oh so clutch Brady. Much better than the oh so clutch Roethlisberger. On par with the oh so clutch E. Manning. Yet somehow Romo is piss poor (supposedly) in the clutch. Right.

Hell, lets look at his fourth quarter numbers in general. 61.5%, 8.21 Y/A, 10 TDs, 2 INTs, 104.4 QBR. Equal with Brady. Better than Roethlisberger. On par with E. Manning. Better than Brees.

I actually hate doing this because I'm sort of arguing against Newton and I love him. Look at his highlights like an obsessed little kid. But it is annoying to see how criminally overlooked and underrated Romo is. I don't mean this as slight against you two. You two are good posters and I respect your opinion. But it goes beyond just this site. It goes in general. Tony Romo has done so much for Dallas and yet the blame is pinned always on him. Romo has a mediocre surrounding cast. His defense, at least pass defense, has been terrible for years now yet Romo helps make them competitive every single year. Romo is a very good quarterback and I just don't see how it can be said otherwise.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:33 PM

This is far from the truth. He's carried Dallas for the past couple of years now. Witten is slow as dirt. Bryant struggles to know his routes. Austin is often injured. His offensive line is below average. Defense is shoddy. Romo put his team in position to beat Arizona. What happens? Kicker misses. Romo, in less than a minute, gets his team down into field goal range to win the game. What happens? Kicker misses. Romo throws 300+ yards and 4 touchdowns in a game and guess what? His defense craps the bed and we're actually going to blame him for that? We're going to say Romo is the issue with Dallas?

It's unwarranted hate. Besides, even if all of this is true, it isn't as if Newton has proven he is clutch either or at least no more than Romo is. Look, I love Newton as much as the next guy. But as of NOW, he should not be ahead of Romo. I don't see the issue with that. Romo has 6 straight seasons of a 90+ quarterback rating and last season, had 66% completion percentage, 31 touchdowns to only 10 interceptions (only a 1.9 INT% - that is terrific) despite an average at best supporting cast not to mention a horrific defense.

Be honest. If Newton put up those numbers and Carolina still finished 8-8, how would you react if someone said, "Newton is just put in a situation where those numbers are easy but you can't build around him"? I'm not saying you are biased or anything. But there is obviously something there that makes people hate on Romo more than they would their own quarterback. There is no reason not to consider Romo a very good quarterback. Yes, going forward, I want Newton. But as of RIGHT NOW, I just can't see how anybody can rank Cam over Romo.

And comparing him to Kevin Kolb? Really? Kolb was never good.


The problem is Romo has forever been labeled a choker because the snap he messed up in the 06 playoffs. Combine that with everyone's hate for the Cowboys and you get people discrediting Romo. Everyone talks about how he can't win in the playoffs (yet when someone talks about Cam not winning it's suddenly "wins are a team stat not a QB stat), how he sucks in December and January (which isn't true), how he can't lead his team to victory (despite his kicker/coach losing two games and shitty defense costing them others), how he can't play in the clutch (4th quarter numbers disagree). No one wants to take off their Cowboys hate glasses and actually look at what Romo does.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:33 PM

Didn't Romo get stuffed on a 4th and inches? That doesn't happen to Cam.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:41 PM

sorry...not buying the romo hype. dude is fairly criticized for his lack of leadership by more than just people in here and your average cowboy hating fan.

his own teammates don't know who the leaders are on that team. they don't look at romo as a leader. he doesn't look at himself as a leader. he (and everyone else)looks at himself as someone who should probably step up as a leader at some point, but the problem is that he's had that job for how many years? and he's how old? 31? if he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to do it. he's good, but he's just not good enough to carry that team when it matters, contrary to opinions expressed above. most understand this. that's why they haven't gone further than they have. he just can't handle the pressure of the big game. he doesn't make his supporting cast better. it's been the same story for years and remember it wasn't all that long ago that they sent 13 people to the probowl. that isn't some team of scrubs they've had. you might just look at last year's stats and team, but' i'm looking at the big picture and he's just not as good as advertised. he's good. he could be great, but it's what's between his ears that is and has been holding him and that team back.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

he's good, but he's just not good enough to carry that team when it matters,


Already proven false. He's done it plenty of times and his numbers have been outstanding in December.

that's why they haven't gone further than they have.


Yeah, it is Romo's fault they finished 8-8 despite his defense being one of the leagues worst, having an inconsistent running game outside of Murray for only a couple of weeks, a bad offensive line, and injury prone receivers.

Seriously.

remember it wasn't all that long ago that they sent 13 people to the probowl.


It wasn't all that long ago Minnesota sent a bunch of people to the Pro Bowl either. Guess that must mean they are extremely talented, eh?

By the way, that was in 2007. You know, when they finished 13-3 and lost to the Super Bowl Champions (because, you know, losing to the Super Bowl champs = bad thing).

that isn't some team of scrubs they've had.


So are you saying his receivers aren't inconsistent and injury prone? His #1 receiver missed 6 games and was injured for most of the 10 games he even played, Witten is slow and old, and Bryant is not only injury prone but struggles to learn his routes. His offensive line always stinks. But you're really going to sit there and tell me he has a great supporting cast? Come on now.

You know what the issue is? chef17 said it EXACTLY. Maybe you are right. Maybe Romo can't take them further than he has. But guess what? Newton hasn't even done that either so it is all irrelevant. You can't hold it against Romo for not doing something and then not hold it against Newton when he hasn't done it either. Yes, going forward, Newton probably will be the better QB. But right now, what has Cam done that Romo hasn't? I hate arguing against Newton. But Romo deserves more credit than he gets. A lot more.

I understand on a team forum, bias is to be expected. No issue with that. I'm biased at times myself. But I've noticed a lot that people are very unwilling to actually admit Newton has stuff he needs to improve on, which he does (even Steve Smith said that Newton isn't there yet and Newton HIMSELF admits he has a lot to improve upon). At the drop of a dime, people will hold it against Romo for his team not winning yet when said about Newton, it is suddenly a different story. Just those kind of things irritate me. Newton will be a great quarterback, no doubt about it. But right now, I think we need to come back down to earth. There are still some stuff he needs to improve on, primarily consistency.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:38 PM

sorry...not buying the romo hype. dude is fairly criticized for his lack of leadership by more than just people in here and your average cowboy hating fan.

his own teammates don't know who the leaders are on that team. they don't look at romo as a leader. he doesn't look at himself as a leader. he (and everyone else)looks at himself as someone who should probably step up as a leader at some point, but the problem is that he's had that job for how many years? and he's how old? 31? if he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to do it. he's good, but he's just not good enough to carry that team when it matters, contrary to opinions expressed above. most understand this. that's why they haven't gone further than they have. he just can't handle the pressure of the big game. he doesn't make his supporting cast better. it's been the same story for years and remember it wasn't all that long ago that they sent 13 people to the probowl. that isn't some team of scrubs they've had. you might just look at last year's stats and team, but' i'm looking at the big picture and he's just not as good as advertised. he's good. he could be great, but it's what's between his ears that is and has been holding him and that team back.


Criticizing him for his leadership is completely different than saying he sucks as a QB, he can't lead his team to victory, he costs them games, he isn't clutch, etc. His numbers prove all those things false whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:33 AM

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